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**** Conference [ 62] - (Fido) Planet Connect From: JOHN MORANO Number: 1 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/07/93 10:04p Subj: stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are we having fun yet...... John...... As you can assume this is a test........ --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * Net 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 2 To: ANTONIO RIVEROS Date: 09/10/93 12:20p Subj: Re: backup system Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > messages and they would be lost. How about keeping..2 days mail on file > request. So if I miss Tuesday's mail, I can FREQ TUESDAY from 1:3615/50 ALL mail is held here for 4 days. All you have to freq 0000FFFF.??? Where the extension you would file in is for the day and bundle you want. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: SATELLITE + PLANET CONNECT + FIDO = A NEW GENERATION (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 3 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/10/93 12:21p Subj: Re: P.C. Pricing Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > KJ> INTERNET on this thing? > That's two vote for it..... Are you listening Boyd ? ;-) I already told ya. YES we will have the Usenet News Groups going over!! ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: SATELLITE + PLANET CONNECT + FIDO = A NEW GENERATION (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 4 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/11/93 9:24a Subj: problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Forwarded from "PCBETA" * Originally by John Morano * Originally to Ken Jackson * Originally dated 7 Sep 1993, 19:10 KJ> interested in your utility, if you are going to share it KJ> with the rest of us beta guyz... >Consider it done, I uploaded it to Boyd last night, I think it will be tic'd >out over the bird. KJ> --- GEcho/386 1.01+ >Is this tag for real? I helped beta GEcho, I guess I been out of touch to >long. But I will assume it still doesn't support JAM. John, about the only thing that is different between 1.00 and 1.01 are the extended semaphore control files X*.* for Front Door and Intermail. Other than that, no big changes... See ya Todd ... $ Look! We're not far from civilization! ___ TagDude 0.74α+ --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS (318)582-6411 and 582-3509 Iowa, LA (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 5 To: ANTONIO RIVEROS Date: 09/11/93 12:56p Subj: backup system Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Forwarded from "PCBETA" * Originally by Todd Lyons * Originally to Antonio Riveros * Originally dated 11 Sep 1993, 12:56 > pick up the mail. I am sure this would not be more than 8 megs of drive > space > to hold (2 days should be enough?). This would sure make people easier > all No, it would be more than 8 megs. As it is, he does keep the mail for a few days and has told us of a way to allow us to make his system resend it over the satellite. I can't recall it right now, but hopefully, Boyd will detail it again for us. > Still Fighting NET342 to distribute What I did in this net was get EVERYBODY in on the ground floor. We restructured our entire net around the distribution of this system. I think if you get everybody involved, it will allay<sp?> a lot of their fears. Have everybody over for a Saturday or Sunday and let them watch the system work as it transfers good files over to your inbound subdir, as it processes all that mail, packs it up outbound, then comes back up to receive it. Probably the most impressive part is when it starts copying all those files over, one after the other. Then let them watch as it receives them all again and then deletes the ones that it's already processed. Another thing is that I NEVER get any errors receiving. The one time that I did, I had a lightning storm going on just south of me. When it moved to directly over me, the errors went away <g> Gotta love satellites... See ya Todd ... (Blink)(Blink) Simulated ANSI Graphics (Blink)(Blink) ___ TagDude 0.74α+ --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS (318)582-6411 and 582-3509 Iowa, LA (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 6 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/11/93 12:58p Subj: stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Are we having fun yet...... > As you can assume this is a test........ Well it passed on this end. Hope it doesn't tick anybody off, but I replied to a message in PCBETA *AND* forwarded it to this echo too. Seems one or two people haven't switched over yet. They'll get the picture <g> when nothing comes in for a few days <g> See ya Todd ... If at first you don't succeed, beat 'em up! ___ TagDude 0.74α+ --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS (318)582-6411 and 582-3509 Iowa, LA (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBERT WHITT Number: 7 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/12/93 1:51p Subj: stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello John! In a msg of <07 Sep 93>, John Morano writes to Boyd Goodin: JM> Are we having fun yet...... JM> John...... I dont' know about you, but I sure am! I feel like Pogo: the world is my lavatory! Robert --- GoldED 2.31 * Origin: Live from the Earth Station (1:3645/21) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 8 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/12/93 1:47p Subj: PCUtils Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I found it in my updates subdirectory and checked it out. What advantages does it offer over PCCHECK? could you give some documentation on the NEXTx function? If I were to guess I run PCUTIL NEXT5 and it'll check 5 files at a time and then copy them over to my mailer's inbound subdir 5 files at a time (in order of date??)?? See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS (318)582-6411 and 582-3509 Iowa, LA (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 9 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/14/93 10:47p Subj: Re: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > It seems that all the posts that I am getting are in the old PCBETA echo. > How long before you cut it off? Just rename it to PLANET_CONNECT. This ones for the public. Also PCSITES is for everyone that is connected via the sat so its a place for you all to type at each other and anything you want me for. PCSITES will include messages that I get from John on things that are going thru his system too well. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: SATELLITE + PLANET CONNECT + FIDO = A NEW GENERATION (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 10 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/14/93 11:36p Subj: PCUtils Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL> What advantages does it offer over PCCHECK? It works..... ;-) TL> could you give some documentation on the NEXTx function? If NEXTx will copy x mail bundles from the HOLDING directory to your normal inbound mail directory ( if you have PCU.CFG set up right ). The program was writen to run on a network or under Multitask where you would have one node or task doing nothing but gathering the mail being sent from Planet Connect. PCUTIL CHECKx can be called from any node (task) and will rip out the new files that where recieved from the last time it was called and put them in a safe HOLDING directory, then it will clean out the downlink directory and log,catalog,sort and basicly leave you a good audit trail in the form of PCU_xxxx.LOG files so you can see exactly what the satellite is sending, The NEXTx function can the be called at any time to copy one or more mail bundles to the toss directory, this was done so your system was not sitting there for 2 hours trying to churn out all that mail in one shot, it can be done one bundle at a time whenever your system cycles on an incoming call, The files and Tic's a copied to the holding directory also and will be ticked out with any utility you like ( I have not finished the built in tic function yet ) The newest version is 1.05 and is on it's way up the link as we speak (I hope) if not FREQ PCU here at Genesis. If you get the PCU.CFG set properly and do a SET PCU=path to that config file you should be able to call PCUTIL with no options and get a lot of option settings off the HELP screen. Sorry I haven't taken more time to do docs on it please keep in mind that it was writen for Genesis for inhouse use and I just figured you guys might be able to use it. The newest version has a little more in the readme and there is also a log file that explains a little about what changes I've made since that version has been uplinked. Hope it helps....... Words of wisdom... BACK IT UP BEFORE YOU FIRE IT UP ! ;-) John.......... --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * Net 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 11 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/13/93 9:35p Subj: problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL> John, about the only thing that is different between 1.00 TL> and 1.01 are the extended semaphore control files X*.* for Thanks Todd, if you hear of an upgrade that will do JAM keep me in mind please. Now to keep this on subject the new PCUTIL is on its way to Boyd..... John...... --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * Net 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 12 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/14/93 1:29a Subj: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No It seems that all the posts that I am getting are in the old PCBETA echo. How long before you cut it off? See ua Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS (318)582-6411 and 582-3509 Iowa, LA (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 13 To: ALL Date: 09/15/93 1:23p Subj: Planet Connect/multitasking Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No All-- When we gonna be able to use this thing in a multitasking environment? Ken --- GEcho/386 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <Home of DELTAnet> 601/453-3963 (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 14 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/15/93 1:26a Subj: P.C. Pricing Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if this one has? Thanks for letting me know. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 15 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 09/16/93 7:39p Subj: Planet Connect/multitasking Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > When we gonna be able to use this thing in a multitasking environment? Haven't been able to yet. If you figure out a way, please let me know! WRONG WRONG WRONG... It's now about 30 minutes after I wrote message and I have gotten Planet Connect to run under DV. I threw DV on my server and started it across the network and it's working wonderfully so far. I'll post the pif in a few days if the system continues to run smoothly. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 16 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/16/93 7:42p Subj: P.C. Pricing Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if > this one has? Probably not, since it got past 3615/50 and over to here. Good to see you in here. How much have you messed with the system?? Which software are you using all of this with? See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 17 To: ALL Date: 09/16/93 8:38p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi there! Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 18 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/16/93 11:28p Subj: this echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Eric, are you getting this ok? How's that dish running? :-) --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 19 To: BOYD GOODWIN Date: 09/17/93 12:25a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and make sure I'm able to receive it. Dish is in place <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 20 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/18/93 12:08a Subj: Re: P.C. Pricing Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if > this one has? Seems to be working ok now guy! ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 21 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/18/93 12:09a Subj: Re: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hi there! Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo. Welcome Clay. Glad to have ya aboard! .....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 22 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/18/93 12:10a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello Boyd, Hello D.J.! > Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and make sure I'm > able to receive it. No problem. Get the receiver yet?? ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 23 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/16/93 11:22p Subj: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those are in big demand here. Beside the MAC users seem to be the most generous people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest! Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PRESTON SMITH Number: 24 To: ALL Date: 09/17/93 11:20a Subj: Here we are Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello All! Net 128 from Colorado Springs joins the echo. Would appreciate any feedback on problems, successes, failures, strengths, etc from a net that is using this system to pick up their mail. also how are you integrating the Net FIle Coord (NFC) and Net Echo Coord (NEC) into the satellite feed process. thnaks Preston --- GoldED/2 2.41.B0108+ * Origin: Canadian Connection, Colorado Springs, CO (719)599-4568 (1:128/77) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 25 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/18/93 7:17p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Clay Tinsley wrote in a message to Dave James: > Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and > make sure I'm able to receive it. > Dish is in place <g> CT> Hi Dave - are you going dishmail full-time? Not right away, from what I hear, the feed is ONCE per day, where as right now I get fresh echomail every three hours... But, there is still almost the entire FILEBONE feed to look at! <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 26 To: PRESTON SMITH Date: 09/18/93 5:15p Subj: Here we are Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No PS> appreciate any feedback on problems, successes, failures, It works. Just get the software set right and sit back and enjoy.... John...... . --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * 5 Gig * 4 Nodes * Sat-Link * 501-267-9600 * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 27 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/18/93 12:40p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and > make sure I'm able to receive it. > Dish is in place <g> Hi Dave - are you going dishmail full-time? --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 28 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/18/93 3:32a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Dave James: BG> No problem. Get the receiver yet?? Nope, figure it will arrive next week sometime, depending on how it was shipped. Soon I hope <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 29 To: BOYD Date: 09/18/93 2:45a Subj: UseNet Feed Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, Anytime frame for picking up the UseNet feed off the internet yet? Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 30 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/19/93 9:27p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Nope, figure it will arrive next week sometime, depending on how it was > shipped. Just UPS ground I think. Should be sometime this week. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 31 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/19/93 9:36p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be > refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and > 7pm rotation schedule. Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance of picking it up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone say? ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 32 To: ALL Date: 09/19/93 11:45p Subj: PCUTILS Filearea. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Everyone. Please add PCUTILS to your tic areas. This area will be for utility programs for the Planet Connect or if you have an information file pertaining to planet connect that you would like to pass on to the rest of the users. Just send anything you want to be redistributed to everyone when you are dropping off mail and I will get it up onto the bird with its own tic file. .....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 33 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/19/93 4:34p Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, Haven't heard from you lately... I assume my mail packets have been getting there with the correct id's --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/300) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 34 To: PRESTON SMITH Date: 09/18/93 10:57a Subj: Here we are Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Friday September 17 1993, Preston Smith writes to All: Hello Preston! PS> Net 128 from Colorado Springs joins the echo. Would appreciate any PS> feedback on problems, successes, failures, strengths, etc from a net that PS> is using this system to pick up their mail. also how are you integrating PS> the Net FIle Coord (NFC) and Net Echo Coord (NEC) into the satellite feed PS> process. What I'm going to be doing is simply passing all the inbound packets to our region hub who will process and carry out the distribution..no need to screw with a system that works smooth as silk :) This will go online once we feel secure with the fact that the whole backbone is arriving in its entirety each day at least by a specific time. Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - LIVE via Satalite - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 35 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/18/93 10:59a Subj: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Thursday September 16 1993, Tim Jacobs writes to Boyd Goodin: Hello Tim! TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those TJ> are in big demand here. Beside the MAC users seem to be the most generous TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest! the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so far. Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - LIVE via Satalite - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 36 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/19/93 10:53a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Not right away, from what I hear, the feed is ONCE per day, > where as right now I get fresh echomail every three hours... > But, there is still almost the entire FILEBONE feed to look > at! <g> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule. This is the biggest gripe in Net124 as well. Perfect for file echos, but adding another day to echomail is not too attractive. We poll Souvestre four times a day. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 37 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/19/93 6:45p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Clay Tinsley wrote in a message to Dave James: CT> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule. Thrice would be even better yet! CT> This is the biggest gripe in Net124 as well. Perfect CT> for file echos, but adding another day to echomail is not CT> too attractive. We poll Souvestre four times a day. Me and John's systems poll each other every 4 hours around the clock 7daysaweek. This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail flowing as quick as possible... no one likes to read a day old newspaper <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 38 To: ALL Date: 09/19/93 1:32p Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No This is part of a recent conversation that took place in the Net 124/Net 130 (Dallas/Ft. Worth) Planet Connect discussion echo. I was wondering how Planet Connect discussions were going in other nets... * Originally By: Eric Fisher * Originally To: Harry McDow * Originally Re: Re: this Dish Stuff * Original Area: DFW Dishmail Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 -=> Quoting Harry McDow to Tony White <=- CT>> 4) 124/1 processes the mail with the required AKA, and CT>> delivers that inbound mail to the hubs as we do now. TW> Realizing that we'll only get one mail packet per day, yes. HM> This sucks. Mail that is over 24 hours old is stale crap. I think everyone except Planet Systems realizes this. I've mentioned it several times and finally got a reply back in writing that was quite discouraging. The guy who wrote the receiving software, Lee Bonnifield, is apparently a real code whiz; so how hard could it be to migrate from a feed rotation that is static (flushed every 24 hours) flat-file based (they send the text file, UPLD.LST, out between every five files) to a simple DBASE-type structure something like so: Field Size Type Indexed FileName 12 ASCII No ; xxxxxxxx.xxx ExpireTime 8 DLongInt No ; Date/Time In Julian format LastXmit 8 DLongInt Yes ; " " " " " " " ; PTCCMAIN - Reception Program Repeat ; Every time a new 0000FFFF bundle Set Counter = 0 ; is packed out to 3615/51 from Find Lowest LastXmit ; 3615/50, their batch file should If Not CurrentTime > ExpireTime ; fire up a 2nd program, ie PTCCADD XmitFile ; like so: Set LastXmit = CurrentTime ; Save Record ; FOR %%F IN (\OUTB\0000FFFF.*) DO Increment Counter ; PTCCADD %%F If Counter = 5 ; MakeFlatFile ; PTCCADD would create an entry in XmitFlatFile ; the rotation file, clear its Set Counter = 0 ; LastXmit field, and set ExpireTime EndIf ; to CurrentTime + 24 (or 36) hours, Else ; whatever works best... Delete Record EndIf Loop Sorry for being so pedantic, but I'm crossposting this message into the PLANET_CONNECT echo in hopes of starting a brush fire... :-) HM> This means that our bone echomail will go back to the satellite and be HM> re-circulated? Or that it will stay on the land line or will be held HM> till the next satellite feed? Geesh, think of the dupes. Nope, it'll come back to 124/2106 with all of 2106's downlinks already in the SEENBY's, thus it'll evaporate during toss/scan, unless the dupe-checker slays it first. TW> Boy, this sounds familiar... :-) If it's a vote, I vote no. Reason TW> being is that if somebody wants something bad enough, they're going to TW> pick up the phone anyway. HM> I agree with Clay. Time-sensitive stuff needs the benefit of HM> modem/land-line immediacy. Any mail over 24 hour old is stale crap. CT>> 8) In order for the rest of the USA to get our CT>> outbound echomail, the satellite will have to broadcast it CT>> out, meaning we'll be receiving it back again as well. CT>> Squish's dupe checker on 124/1 should take care of this. I CT>> just hate to see 124/2106 have to crank through those CT>> bundles for no real reason. This is my recommended method, CT>> for starters. TW> Ouch. HM> Ouch? I say crap. Why doesn't PC have the software necessary to HM> prevent this? Or could PC prevent dupes even with the best intent? HM> Seems like to me we are taking a step BACKWARDS with a view to the HM> echomail. Now, I love change as much as the next person, and this thing HM> is perfect for the file echos, but as for echomail... over 24 hours HM> old is stale crap. Who would want it? Not me, not my downlinks and HM> not my users. Perhaps if PC took a feed 4 times a day, and CHANGED HM> the satellite feed for each feed, updating it... then maybe I could HM> agree to PC's merits. Planet Connect has very satisfactory software to prevent duplicate processing of mail bundles, even if received several times during the rotation. The only thing that makes me nervous is the "stale crap" syndrome. I wouldn't recommend committing to an annual subscription until they realize that they have a problem here. CT>> 8a) One reason TO crank through the bundles at 124/2106 CT>> is to create outbound mail for 124/1 AND Net 130's hub, CT>> 130/55. Net 130's outbound echomail can still come into CT>> 124/1. 124/1 would not send the mail to Net130, because CT>> 124/2106 would already have them added to the SEEN+BY's. CT>> Net130 would not resend it to 124/1, because of the same CT>> reason. HM> I see a routing nightmare that is fragile, jumping through hoops, easy HM> to break. I see dupes... no TONS of dupes with each broadcast from the HM> satellite, since it doesn't change its uplink data for 24 hours. I HM> see a fantastic way of moving the file echos. The file echoes are moving along very nicely, or have you even noticed? :-) For the last week, buth FDN's have been taking the filebone (less DV, Clipper, Genealogy & AnsiClub) via 2106 & Planet Connect. Give me an example of how we'd get "TONS of dupes". You mean from stuff that originates in 124 or 130, goes up to 3615/50 only to return to 2106? Such duplication would be stopped by not one, but two methods; see paragraph above. =Eric -!- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 ! Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 39 To: JEFF JOHNSON Date: 09/19/93 11:50p Subj: Re: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd, Haven't heard from you lately... I assume my mail packets have been > getting there with the correct id's Yep there here. Make sure that you are not adding 51 to the seenby's cause if you are it will never get out over the satellite. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 40 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/19/93 2:53p Subj: mail frequency Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Boyd... the biggest topic so far in our local DISHMAIL echo is the time lag on mail processing. It sounds as if you're polling for mail several times a day, but only processing and sending it out via satellite once, around 6-7am. Nets 124 and 130 are large, over 350 nodes, and feed several smaller nets as well. All feed from one machine, 124/1. This machine polls 396/1 four times a day, five on weekends. We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process to the loop, 12 hours from the first one. If you have reasons for not doing this, I'd like to hear them. We are very serious about dropping our $200 a month backbone modem feed for satellite mail, but hate the associated delays and its affect on such a large group. My guess is that if you asked around, your satellite customers will be willing to pay $10 more a month for two daily transmissions... :-) --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 41 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/20/93 11:28a Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hi there! Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo. My God, Clay. You and I are living proof that they'll let just anyone in. <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.22 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 42 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 7:38p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Ok now lets set it to a vote. ... > What does everyone say? Fair enough, Boyd.. I appreciate you being open to this. Net124 is representing over 350 nodes directly and probably 100+ via feeds off Net124. We vote for 2 transmissions, or some other method of broadcasting current mail. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 43 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/20/93 7:42p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No CT> While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-) EF> Uhhh.... You're still talking about fixed transmit windows if EF> you're advocating increasing rotations to 2 or more times a EF> day. Ideally, a file should dynamically enter the rotation as EF> soon as it is ARCed, with an expiration time and MinXmit count EF> associated with it. Yes, you're right Eric. This would be the best way. Lemme make sure I understand this: - all mail bundles say in the file rotation for 24 or more hours, and drop off after 24 hours. Several hours more than 24 would be idea. - new mail is added to the end of the run as it's created - or every four hours or so. This would allow a net to still pick up mail once a day, or a net to pick up fresh mail continuously if they wish to scan the scan the skies all day. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 44 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/20/93 7:48p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > of mail bundles was extended to, say, 36 hours instead of the > 24 in the example. You'll notice that for any time of day, > you have the same size rotation as if all bundles were > synched to a time of day, but with nothing close to a 24 hour > hold on mail. Even better! This gets my vote. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 45 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 9:44a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Clay Tinsley <=- > I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be > refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and > 7pm rotation schedule. BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out BG> there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds BG> per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now BG> remember that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so BG> that takes time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance BG> of picking it up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in BG> half. What does everyone say? This is what I'm proposing... <-----0000FFFF.SU0-----><-----0000FFFF.MO0-----><-----0000FFFF.TU0-----> ...<-----0000FFFF.SU1-----><-----0000FFFF.MO1-----><-----0000FFFF.TU1---... ......<-----0000FFFF.SU2-----><-----0000FFFF.MO2-----><-----0000FFFF.TU2... ...-----><-----0000FFFF.SU3-----><-----0000FFFF.MO3-----><-----0000FFFF.... ...SA4-----><-----0000FFFF.SU4-----><-----0000FFFF.MO4-----><-----0000FF... ...FF.SA5-----><-----0000FFFF.SU5-----><-----0000FFFF.MO5-----><-----000... ...0FFFF.SA6-----><-----0000FFFF.SU6-----><-----0000FFFF.MO6-----><-----... ...0000FFFF.SA7-----><-----0000FFFF.SU7-----><-----0000FFFF.MO7-----><--... <-----0000FFFF.SA8-----><-----0000FFFF.SU8-----><-----0000FFFF.MO8----->... 000000000011111111112222000000000011111111112222000000000011111111112222 012345678901234567890123012345678901234567890123012345678901234567890123 | AM Sunday PM || AM Monday PM || AM Tuesday PM | The bundle extensions are purely arbitrary, but simplified for discussion. By the algorithm I posted earlier, mail freshness would be assured, as would your ability to guarantee availability of all mail to part-time receivers, especially of the shelf-life of mail bundles was extended to, say, 36 hours instead of the 24 in the example. You'll notice that for any time of day, you have the same size rotation as if all bundles were synched to a time of day, but with nothing close to a 24 hour hold on mail. It's really not that different from a method you're already employing; namely, keeping 2 or 3 days worth of mail bundles available for file-request. These files are staggered and overlapped and get expired after a certain amount of time. Why not do the same with the beam? Comments? =Eric --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 46 To: JOHN REYNOLDS Date: 09/20/93 9:54a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting John Reynolds to Boyd Goodin <=- JR> I know we may have an unusual situation, but we here in Net124 plan on JR> buying a separate dish just for PC - we already have our own JR> "community" computer for processing our mail as it comes in now and JR> the cost of the dish/decoder is "about" the price of a new USR modem JR> and a telephone line. Boyd, Not only are we buying a dedicated dish for PC, we are contemplating 2nd and 3rd dishes (and subscriptions!) as a means of reducing traffic between nets 124 & 130 and separating file distribution functions from echomail routes. That's how sensitive we are to timely echomail delivery. =Eric --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 47 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 10:08a Subj: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No More D/FW chatter regarding mail timing..... * Originally By: Dean Lachan * Originally To: Harry McDow * Originally Re: this Dish Stuff * Original Area: DFW Dishmail Echo * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12 HM> thing. I know I'm making a lot of noise about this, but it HM> is important to me. FidoNet echomail is probably the best HM> in the hobby network world. I left a message in GoldEd the HM> other day, and got 3 answers from three different people 1 HM> DAY (about 35 hours) later. I was impressed. One of the HM> answers was from Canada. (Fixed the problem, too.) It's (time lag) one of the things that has been GREATLY reduced over the years from 2-3 days nationally to as quickly as < 12-18 hours nationally. Now messages/reply chains are going to go back to the 2-3 days again. Maybe the time-based areas should be dropped and picked up 'real-time' (ie. ForSale conferences). --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEVIN MARTIN Number: 48 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 2:24p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Sep 19 21:36, Boyd Goodin of 1:124/5125 wrote: >> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be >> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am >> and 7pm rotation schedule. BG> BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out BG> there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds BG> per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now BG> remember that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so BG> that takes time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance BG> of picking it up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in BG> half. What does everyone say? Hello Boyd! I would vote for a 2 feed cycle. Maybe you should have posted your message to ALL? Regards, --- * Origin: The E-LINK bbs [214]-680-8119 (1:124/5146) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 49 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/19/93 11:53p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No CT> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule. DJ> Thrice would be even better yet! While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-) DJ> This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail DJ> flowing as quick as possible... no one likes to read a day DJ> old newspaper <g> Agreed! ...and we've exchanged three messages in 13 hours - (me, you, me). No furthur comment. --- * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/HST (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 50 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 9:59a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin scribbled in a note to Clay Tinsley: > I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be > refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and > 7pm rotation schedule. BG> BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best BG> to refresh the flow. Now remember that we have to send BG> everything to the uplink via modem so that takes time. Also BG> if you miss anything there will be less chance of picking it BG> up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in half. BG> What does everyone say? Let's go for the twice daily rotation. I really don't figure there are THAT many who will be using their dish for THAT much TV viewing - if so, the prices of a second stationary dish just for PC is not that much of a cost over the long haul. I would think larger nets would want to do this anyway so that one person doesn't have a strangle hold on the mail. The smaller dish is transportable and can be moved whenever someone moves or their spouse tells them to give up the hobby :-) I know we may have an unusual situation, but we here in Net124 plan on buying a separate dish just for PC - we already have our own "community" computer for processing our mail as it comes in now and the cost of the dish/decoder is "about" the price of a new USR modem and a telephone line. When you look at the LD savings over the next year or two, that's not much for this hobby. Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 51 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/20/93 7:57a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting Clay Tinsley to Dave James <=- CT> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule. DJ> Thrice would be even better yet! CT> While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-) Uhhh.... You're still talking about fixed transmit windows if you're advocating increasing rotations to 2 or more times a day. Ideally, a file should dynamically enter the rotation as soon as it is ARCed, with an expiration time and MinXmit count associated with it. DJ> This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail DJ> flowing as quick as possible... no one likes to read a day DJ> old newspaper <g> CT> Agreed! ...and we've exchanged three messages in 13 hours - (me, CT> you, me). No furthur comment. What's taking McDow so long to jump in over here, Clay? :-) =Eric --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 52 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 09/20/93 7:59a Subj: Re: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting Ken Kavanagh to Tim Jacobs <=- KK> Hello Tim! TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those TJ> are in big demand here. Beside the MAC users seem to be the most generous TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest! KK> the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so far. Not to mention the full ADS* run. =Eric --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 * Origin: Amiga LANd - Mesquite, TX - 214-222-2510 (1:124/2105.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HARRY MCDOW Number: 53 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/20/93 9:28p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Eric! Monday September 20 1993 07:57, Eric Fisher wrote to Clay Tinsley: EF> What's taking McDow so long to jump in over here, Clay? :-) I'm here reading and lurking. Thinkin' and calculating. Seems that there is some pressure for refreshing the feeds to 2 a day. Sounds like a great idea to me. I'm gonna read some more messages. For some reason, I forgot to read this area. :-| - Harry --- GoldED 2.41+/1054US1 * Origin: TCR'S Revenge - Seagoville, Texas - (214) 287-5135 (1:124/4218) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 54 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 09/21/93 11:35p Subj: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > On Thursday September 16 1993, Tim Jacobs writes to Boyd > Goodin: > Hello Tim! > TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? > TJ> are in big demand here. Beside the MAC users seem to be the most > TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest! > the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so > far. > Cheers, Ken Yes, I see that now. Thanks for the note. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 55 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/21/93 11:43p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> I think our thoughts are in the same boat. If the echomail could be >> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and >> 7pm rotation schedule. > Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone > say? > ....Boyd I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for it. If my system did nothing but get mail that is a differnt story. I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours a day, and that envolves some TV watching. MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to AUTOMATICLY see what packets came in and see which one didn't and have the system call for the ones that didn't make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as little as possible to screw up. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 56 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/21/93 11:50p Subj: mail frequency Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process > to the loop, 12 hours from the first one. If you have reasons > for not doing this, I'd like to hear them. We are very serious > about dropping our $200 a month backbone modem feed for > satellite mail, but hate the associated delays and its affect on > such a large group. > > My guess is that if you asked around, your satellite > customers will be willing to pay $10 more a month for two daily > transmissions... :-) No I am sure MOST don't want to pay another $10 a month! The whole idea is to keep costs down. And if it would cost us more than I am even MORE against it than before. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 57 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/22/93 12:05a Subj: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > It's (time lag) one of the things that has been GREATLY reduced > over the years from 2-3 days nationally to as quickly as > < 12-18 hours> nationally. Now messages/reply chains are going > to go back to the 2-3 days again. It is obvious that this will not be for everyone. Even if we were to go to 2 cycles you could continue to gripe about the delay. Lets just let the system iron out and get the new users and maybe AFTER it is established and there is a good user base for the system then start experimenting with speeding up mail. I for one like the cheap altrnative and it is worth the little bit of a delay each day rather than paying $350 a month. Since you have so many people and your net is so large, it sounds to me it would be cheaper to use the phones anyway. Just another opinion. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 58 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/21/93 1:16p Subj: Mail Flow Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, there seems to be a big hoop-la about the need to update the echomail more often then every 24 hours, May I make a suggestion that may solve this problem and still give those systems that are using thier home satellite receivers for TV's a chance to keep up to date. Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the uplink and then after 24 hours to delete those files from being sent over the satellite. In this way you could continually refresh the files that are being sent and any new file would be transmitted for 24 hours and then be deleted from the satellite uplink que. This would give everyone at least 24 hour to capture a file and would also keep the echomail flow fresh for those that don't want to read a day old newspaper. This is just a thought and may require a LOT of reprograming on your end to set this up, but it may be a better time to do it now then wait till you have a couple of thousand systems on line and then have to make a drastic change. Keep in mind that when you add the UseNet,Rime, and all the others cutting the transmit window on a file could cause us to only get one shot at it if you are talking a 12 or even 8 hour window..... Regards.... John.... --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * 391 Hub/Satellite Downlink * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 59 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/21/93 1:29p Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Eric, I just read your message about the file uplink rotation, it seems we are saying the same thing so for what it's worth I agree with you.... John..... --- GEcho 1.00+ * Origin: * Genesis * 391 Hub/Satellite Downlink * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 60 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/21/93 9:51p Subj: Receiver Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Got the receiver, but no coax, will go down to the store and pickup 100' of RG-6 as you suggested in the first place <g> Let you know how it all turns out by this week-end! Thanks! Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB NELSON Number: 61 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 2:53p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Clay Tinsley: BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best BG> What does everyone say? I for one vote NO! I use my dish for TV purposes as well as Planet Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data stream twice to get everything. A second feed is fine for someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for the rest of us. Cheers, Rob --- timEd/2-B9 * Origin: The Exchange, Prince George BC (604)962-5971 V32.bis (1:359/200) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 62 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/21/93 1:12a Subj: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > This is part of a recent conversation that took place in the Net 124/Net > 130 (Dallas/Ft. Worth) Planet Connect discussion echo. I was wondering > how Planet Connect discussions were going in other nets... Your net's discussion was VASTLY different from ours. Being a small net, we were only getting 40% or less of the Fido Backbone before the satellite dish rested at my house. Now, a day old mail is better than the fact that before there was none there. We restructured our entire net around this thing. It was revolutionary for us. Hell we even got some guy running on an Atari 1040STe hubbing for us. Interesting stuff..... As far as routing nightmares, I should venture to say, don't let anybody who's stupid route the mail for them. I've no problems with routing yet (at least nobody's reported it yet...may be stupid some day soon <sigh>). See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 63 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 09/21/93 10:51p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > My God, Clay. You and I are living proof that they'll let > just anyone in. <g> I won't worry until I see Lamar's name flying around here ;) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 64 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/22/93 8:13p Subj: Re: Echo name change. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I think so. There are bunch of *.lha files that come through that my > LHARC won't properly unarc, so I'm pretty sure that those are the ones... Just look at the tic file and see what area it is going to and match it up with filebone.na. THat should tell you where it is from! ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 65 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/22/93 8:22p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a days mail. And > I don't want to have to call longdistance for it. If my system did note acknowledged. .....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 66 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 09/22/93 8:30p Subj: Re: Joining the echo... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello Boyd: > Expecting my dish and rx tomorrow and hopefully will be ready to go > on the weekend. Looking forward to this new method of communicating. Welcome aboard! .....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 67 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 09/22/93 8:35p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > In my unqualified opinion....it would seem logical to SEND as frequently > as possible. Thats what I am trying to find out. I know that there are users that use thier system for TV and with 2 feeds well their is going to be some problems at home with who has controlling interest over the dish if you know what I mean. I would hate to be sited as the cause of a devorce! Anyway for the finer points, hope everyone does not forget that once we start sending the Usenet Groups that the wide window that is avaible for Fido mail and files now will not be so big! ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 68 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/22/93 9:05p Subj: Re: Mail Flow Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the uplink and > then after 24 hours to delete those files from being sent over the > satellite. In this way you could continually refresh the files that are > being sent and any new file would be transmitted for 24 hours and then be We are working on a version of the uplink program that will (hopefully) allow us to insert files into the data-stream on the fly. Now I must also stress that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem. THis allows us to do all processing here. Now we could let the uplink do all the processing and just pump it out after it is being processed. THis would speed up the turn around but would create more problems than what we have now. Meaning that I will not travel 50 miles a day to check to see if everything is working, outgoing mail from everyone would have to be sent to the uplink (more chances of something going wrong, lock ups, security breatch,). > This is just a thought and may require a LOT of reprograming on your end > to set this up, but it may be a better time to do it now then wait till > you have a couple of thousand systems on line and then have to make a > drastic change. We are aware of it and working on it. The system has settled down to a normal routine. > Keep in mind that when you add the UseNet,Rime, and all the others > cutting the transmit window on a file could cause us to only get one shot > at it if you are talking a 12 or even 8 hour window..... Yes that is one of the masjor concerns. As more data is added to the stream these windows become smaller and smaller. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 69 To: ROB NELSON Date: 09/22/93 9:06p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data stream twice to get > everything. A second feed is fine for someone with a dedicated dish, but > it's not practical for the rest of us. It is noted guy. Thanks for the input! ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 70 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/22/93 9:10p Subj: Re: Receiver Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Got the receiver, but no coax, will go down to the store and pickup 100' > of RG-6 as you suggested in the first place <g> Ooooppppsss! Sorry I dont take care of shipping! > Let you know how it all turns out by this week-end! Ok, I wont hold my breath waiting for a phone call from some guy in Las Vegas cursing me to hell then!;-) ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 71 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/22/93 9:46p Subj: Mail Flow Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd, there seems to be a big hoop-la about the need to update > the echomail more often then every 24 hours, May I make a > suggestion that may solve this problem and still give those > systems that are using thier home satellite receivers for TV's a > chance to keep up to date. > Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the > uplink and then after 24 hours to delete those files from being > sent over the satellite. In this way you could continually > refresh the files that are being sent and any new file would be > transmitted for 24 hours and then be deleted from the satellite > uplink que. This would give everyone at least 24 hour to > capture a file and would also keep the echomail flow fresh for > those that don't want to read a day old newspaper. I like this idea. The system at the uplink site would have to be written to do this. That is why I think we should just mellow and not jump into things. Lets get the software and some great utilities written and then maybe put a great plan like this into development. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 72 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/23/93 1:24a Subj: Problem? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tim; Check your control file for your tosser and see if it adding 51 to the seenbys. I have noticed that log file for each message you drop off only 1 is getting reproduced. There should be 2 messages for every one that your send me. Check out this out. It is part of my tosser log file for one of your packets. @ CDRXR802.PKT 09/22/1993 13:17:21 O=1:271/270 D=1:3615/50 ID=5f S=3184b + ECHO: HDSALE # ...................... 0001 (Sent=000002) + ECHO: MACSW # ....................... 0001 (Sent=000001) Now see how the HDSALE as a sent=000002 This is correct cause it had one message and 2 were sent. One for John and one for the uplink. Now MACSW has only 1 there so it is going to either John or the uplink but not to both. So if you are adding 51 or 396/1 to the seenbys then one of the two are not getting the message from the MACSW conference. I am posting this here in the hopes that others will check more carefully and make sure they are not adding 396/1 or 3615/51 to the seenbys. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK SALERNO Number: 73 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/21/93 8:51p Subj: Dedicated site Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, I'm using a dedicated dish for the Planet Connect data, so changing schedules is NOT a problem. --- TosScan 1.00 * Origin: MindLess One's BBS, Weirton WV, U.S.A. (1:129/161) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 74 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/23/93 10:28a Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No John Morano wrote in a message to Eric Fisher: JM> Eric, I just read your message about the file uplink JM> rotation, it seems we are saying the same thing so for what JM> it's worth I agree with you.... You're the author of PCUTIL, right? I have some Planet Connect utilities lying around here that I wrote; what language are you coding in? (I'm strictly TP 7.0) =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2106) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 75 To: ROB NELSON Date: 09/23/93 10:30a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rob Nelson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: RN> Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Clay Tinsley: BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best BG> What does everyone say? RN> I for one vote NO! I use my dish for TV purposes as well as RN> Planet Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data RN> stream twice to get everything. A second feed is fine for RN> someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for RN> the rest of us. You need to go back and re-read my proposal, as well as that of John Morano. =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2106) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 76 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/22/93 2:02p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tim Jacobs wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: > Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone > say? TJ> I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for TJ> it. If my system did nothing but get mail that is a TJ> differnt story. I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching. There are alternatives to once-a-day mail that provide the ability to grab mail once per day. If PC's twice-a-day proposal meant that instead of a 7am-7pm rotation followed by a 7pm-7am, there would be two overlapping 24-hour rotations (ie, UPLD_7AM.LST and UPLD_7PM.LST) with each rotation being updated once a day, you'd still be able to turn on your receiver once per day and catch everything, as no bundles would ever spend less than 24 hours in rotation. That would at least be preferable to once-per-day replenishing... TJ> MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to TJ> AUTOMATICLY see what packets came in and see which one TJ> didn't and have the system call for the ones that didn't TJ> make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as TJ> little as possible to screw up. That's a snap. I'll write that one to-nite! =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 77 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 09/22/93 2:11p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: >> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and >> 7pm rotation schedule. > Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone > say? MP> In my unqualified opinion....it would seem logical to SEND MP> as frequently as possible. No offense, but I think you misunderstood. The *sending* of mail & files is non-stop. The contents of a 24-hour period from 7am-7am, however, never change, even as new mail is acquired from the regional hub and from downlinks. What Boyd described above is certainly not what Clay, Harry & I are pushing. Our position is that the menu of mail bundles should change dynamically; if 3615/50 gets a wad of mail at 10am, it should appear in the menu in a reasonable amount of time, and its placement in the rotation shouldn't cause the rest of the rotation to be discarded, as it would in the "Every 12 Hours" scenario described above. As it currently operates, 10am-received mail sits until 7am the next morning; God help any COMPUSALE or other time-sensitive postings... :-) =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 78 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/22/93 5:54p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tim Jacobs scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin: TJ> I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for TJ> it. If my system did nothing but get mail that is a TJ> differnt story. I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching. The cost of a demodulator and a fixed dish are about $600 (as I understand it and if that price still applies from Planet Connect). That's just a tad more than a USR DS Sysop Modem. I know if I had a satelite dish (no time for the TV I have to choose from now), I sure would spring for the extra $300 for a separate dish I didn't have to worry about resetting after I was done with my TV watching. Kinda like running a BBS on your voice line - might look like saving money but a real stupid idea for a serious sysop just to save the cost of an extra line. Many of the Sysops around here have been installing second data lines just to help move the fidonet mail locally! I think the marketing of the system is going to be to the Nets rather than to individuals. There is almost always more than one Fidonet board that is a local call to another so those two would "share" a dish. P. S. If I am incorrect in the price of the fixed dish and decoder, please correct my figures, they are just what I was told when the beta cycle began. Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 79 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/24/93 8:36a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I would like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent. Meaning, as they are packed, put them into the queue at the uplink site. Every time your computer sends the signal to ours to exit and process mail, it can "adopt" those new bundles, delete old bundles (based on age...some record keeping will need to be done on the uplink site to accomplish this), and restart the uplink process... I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh echomail is a definite bonus. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0g+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 80 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/26/93 7:11a Subj: Wall Street Journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, Can you get USA Today and the Wall Street Journal for us??? The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here! Thanks for all your help! Tell Joe thanks for me! Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 81 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/25/93 5:59a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Rob Nelson: > So long as the window isn't more than say 8-10 hours per day to collect > everything we would have a dynamic schedule where we could collect the > data anytime. The fixed schedule is the problem. I don't mind the BG> Here's a scenario, at 7:30 am you start to get new mail BG> and files. Now during the day more files and mail are added BG> to the data-stream. This will also include the news groups BG> when we get them going. As the day goes by it will take BG> longer and longer for the files that were put in at 7:30 am BG> to come around again. So as you add more data to the stream BG> it decreases the repeat time of the files you started out BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket BG> scientist out there? That's a little disturbing, frankly. To know that the $40/month for Fido gradually buys you less and less bandwidth. Seriously, at what point do you stop selling tickets to an already oversold show? When you've got 75MB to send, whether staggered *or* simultaneous, wouldn't you be looking at getting more transponder space? =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 82 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/26/93 7:19a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Clay Tinsley scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin: BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket BG> scientist out there? CT> We get 99% of the backbone load in Dallas. Last week, CT> we got 51 meg of Zip v2.04'd echomail from 396/1. That's a CT> little over 7 meg a day. If there are 5 meg (probably an CT> overestimate) a day of filebone files, that would be 12 meg CT> a day to be sent. CT> If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 CT> hours worth of mail and files in a dynamic circulation CT> should be possible. That's only four hours. CT> After each "send" period, any new echomail and files CT> could be added to the rotation, and any echomail and files CT> that are over 48 hours old could be removed. Yeah, but I believe the point above is that Boyd is planning on adding the UseNet stuff in and that is a HUGE load which, as he proposes above, would add 60meg to the window, whereby the speed of the uplink would only allow TWO sends each day with the current static setup. It's a little early, so I am not sure how the TWO sends would affect a dynamic rotation - ERIC? Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CLAY TINSLEY Number: 83 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/26/93 12:25a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket BG> scientist out there? We get 99% of the backbone load in Dallas. Last week, we got 51 meg of Zip v2.04'd echomail from 396/1. That's a little over 7 meg a day. If there are 5 meg (probably an overestimate) a day of filebone files, that would be 12 meg a day to be sent. If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of mail and files in a dynamic circulation should be possible. That's only four hours. After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added to the rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old could be removed. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Verbose Ink * 214-437-0914 * Dallas * V32b/H14 (1:124/5125) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 84 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/26/93 2:54p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TJ> I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a > TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for > TJ> it. If my system did nothing but get mail that is a > TJ> differnt story. I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours > TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching. > There are alternatives to once-a-day mail that provide the > ability to grab mail once per day. If PC's twice-a-day proposal > meant that instead of a 7am-7pm rotation followed by a 7pm-7am, > there would be two overlapping 24-hour rotations (ie, > UPLD_7AM.LST and UPLD_7PM.LST) with each rotation being updated > once a day, you'd still be able to turn on your receiver once > per day and catch everything, as no bundles would ever spend > less than 24 hours in rotation. Problem is planet connect will continue to grow and soon with the usenet groups AND fido and files it will not be feasable to do that. Your system will be busy getting all this stuff as it is. Lets get more stuff to fill the time rather than shortening the time. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 > That would at least be preferable to once-per-day > replenishing... > TJ> MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to > TJ> AUTOMATICLY see what packets came in and see which one > TJ> didn't and have the system call for the ones that didn't > TJ> make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as > TJ> little as possible to screw up. > That's a snap. I'll write that one to-nite! > =Eric > --- timEd/B8 > * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 85 To: JOHN REYNOLDS Date: 09/26/93 3:10p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > choose from now), I sure would spring for the extra $300 for a > separate dish I didn't have to worry about resetting after I was > done with my TV watching. Kinda like running a BBS on your voice > line - might look like saving money but a real stupid idea for a > serious sysop just to save the cost of an extra line. Many of > the Sysops around here have been installing second data lines > just to help move the fidonet mail locally! Hmmmmmmmmmm... At that price, I might just have to do this. But after a few months. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 86 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 09/26/93 3:12p Subj: mail frequency Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> No I am sure MOST don't want to pay another $10 a month! >> The whole idea is to keep costs down. And if it would cost >> us more than I am even MORE against it than before. > While I wouldn't relish the idea of doing so either, Tim, > consider the fact that if you're hubbing mail for any number of > nodes, you likely couldn't pick up your mail via landline for > $50.00 per month. > --)@ Patty @(-- No kidding, But lets not get stupid and tell them to raise our prices until this system is not economically cheaper. And the more people talk about how cheap things are the more the prices go up. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERIC FISHER Number: 87 To: ROB NELSON Date: 09/24/93 10:18a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rob Nelson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> It is noted guy. Thanks for the input! RN> I would like to say that after my original post Eric Fisher RN> came up with what looks like a feasable routine of file RN> rotation that might work for even us half and half dish RN> junkies. I like John Morano's idea of timestamping the files RN> to be deleted after a specified time while continuously RN> adding new files to the data stream. Just timestamping the files wouldn't be enough for you half-and-halfers. What if the combination of an enourmous file hatch and the addition of usenet & RIME made the rotation so large that it took 12+ hours to get from start to finish? By the second time many files came around, they'd be beyond their 24 hour shelf life. That's why I also recommended a counter to be associated with each file which would be initially set to the minimum number of times it should be sent. For a file to be removed from the rotation, it would have to be beyond it's expiration date *and* have been transmitted at least as many times as its counter was set to. RN> So long as the window isn't more than say 8-10 hours per day RN> to collect everything we would have a dynamic schedule where RN> we could collect the data anytime. The fixed schedule is the RN> problem. I don't mind the current one so much because it RN> occurs at a time when I'm not using the dish for TV viewing. RN> I think most people would like to be able to receive RN> everything while they're asleep or at work. A dynamic RN> rotation would allow this for everyone, dayshift, RN> nightshift, it wouldn't matter. As you say, with the windows RN> getting smaller as more is added to the stream, a dynamic RN> rotation seems more and more logical. More work for you RN> guys, but a better system in the long run. A couple of Sundays ago, one of the OS2 file echoes hatched 6 1.2MB disk images, causing the Planet Connect rotation to balloon. This meant a longer time to run from start-to-finish, and approached the 8-10 hour window you referred to. There's no way you can be sure that a pre-determined 10-hour window of collection will capture one entire turn of files. RN> P.S. Hope what I said makes some sence, it's been a long RN> day, mumble mumble, g'nite. Perfectly clear, Rob! =Eric --- timEd/B8 * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX (1:124/2106) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB NELSON Number: 88 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/25/93 12:46a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Eric Fisher wrote in a message to Rob Nelson: RN> I for one vote NO! I use my dish for TV purposes as well as RN> Planet Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data RN> stream twice to get everything. A second feed is fine for RN> someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for RN> the rest of us. EF> You need to go back and re-read my proposal, as well as that EF> of John Morano. Actually I wrote my reply before receiving yours. As I said in a message to Boyd last night your proposal as well as John's would be viable solutions to the problem I, and others face with a static schedule. Cheers, Rob --- timEd/2-B9 * Origin: The Exchange, Prince George BC (604)962-5971 V32.bis (1:359/200) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 89 To: ERIC FISHER Date: 09/27/93 9:10p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > That's a little disturbing, frankly. To know that the $40/month for Fido > gradually buys you less and less bandwidth. Seriously, at what point do > you stop selling tickets to an already oversold show? When you've got > 75MB to send, whether staggered *or* simultaneous, wouldn't you be > looking at getting more transponder space? Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour period we will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation. When this happens you will then have to have a dedicated system. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 90 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 09/27/93 9:13p Subj: Re: Wall Street Journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello Boyd, Hey Dave! How's the dog?? > Can you get USA Today and the Wall Street Journal for us??? We are working on the USA Today thing. Never thought of the Journal. Have to check into that! > The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here! No big rain storms yet eh? > Thanks for all your help! Tell Joe thanks for me! No problem. Thats what we are here for. You will have to get your buddy over and show him what he missed!<G> ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 91 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/27/93 9:28p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of > mail and files in a dynamic circulation should be possible. That's only > four hours. Yes but as "OTHER" data is added to the stream you can not do that. To repeat everything twice in a 24 hour period means you could not send more than 77 megs of data. If you go over that then something has to be left out of the loop. > After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added > to the rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old > could be removed. If you had 90 megs to send then there will be 13 megs that will not be sent the second time. So the only other alternative to to send it as you receive it with a possible repeat but having no way of calculating at what time that repeat will be. Thus you would have to have a dedicated system. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 92 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/27/93 9:29p Subj: Re: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh echomail > is a definite bonus. Nobody said it was going to be easy but we will eventually have to go with a system like that. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 93 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 09/27/93 9:35p Subj: Re: Mail Flow Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Knew you would be, that's what is so nice about working with a company > that is doing this full time and not just as a hobby, SERVICE !!! and no > matter how much griping you get from the others I think the SERVICE has > been GREAT.... Thanks for the comment. And NO folks, we dont have him on the payrole, just incase anyone was wondering. > the uplink is but if you could tie it directly to a 56 KB or 115K it > would sure beat the pants of having to pass everything upsteam at 14.4 > ;-) We will be using ISDN lines once the CO gets thier acted together. Our eventual goal is to uplink from our office so we could have the compressed bundles being processed right on the transmitting computer and quequed up within a couple of minutes. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 94 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 09/27/93 9:45p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello Boyd! Hello Rick and welcome. > BG> for Fido mail and files now will not be so big! > How big will it be? Well the Usenet in non-compressed format is about 50 to 60 megs. We will be compressing then down to maybe 20 or 25 megs (rough guess). Now also I was just thinking. If we went to 2 feeds a day, every 12 hours, then our bandwith for the 12 hour window goes down to 77 megs. Now if you want everything to repeat at least twice that cuts the bandwith down to 38.5 megs. That would just about put us at our limit for each feed so the only other alternative would be dynamically adding files. Interesting! ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 95 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/27/93 10:04p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of > mail and files in a dynamic circulation should be possible. That's only > four hours. > After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added > to the rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old > could be removed. But the loophole is that the Usenet Newsgroups inbetween will be 50 or so megs a day (compressed down to 20-30 megs). At 6 megs an hour amounts to a rotation that is very near the proposed 2x rotation. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.0+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 96 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/26/93 7:20a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! 22 Sep 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Murray Pletsch: BG> Anyway for the finer points, hope everyone does not forget that once BG> we start sending the Usenet Groups that the wide window that is avaible BG> for Fido mail and files now will not be so big! How big will it be? Rick, the not yet buyer! --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 97 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/27/93 1:24a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Sunday September 19 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Clay Tinsley: Hello Boyd! BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out there BG> that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24 BG> hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now remember BG> that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so that takes BG> time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance of picking it up BG> again since the retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does BG> everyone say? I'm running my dish full time so the more often the mail comes through the better. actually, I worked through the logic of some of the messages later on in this batch i got (only poll once a week) If i write a message to you at noon, and send it to you midnight, it will show up on the dish at 7-9am the next day EVERYWHERE. thats a one day turn around for my message. these boys whining about stale old 24 hour mail is bs. the normal turn around for mail from bc, canada to miami, FLorida is 3 days. the satalite wins 2 days under par (once miami is running a dish of course <grin>) plus a HUGE savings..our net polls John 3 times a day everyday for a total cost of 400-450 bucks...PC wins on cost..so "stale crap" just aint a good enough argument to force the part time feeders into running their system all the time. (my opinion anyways :)) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 98 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/27/93 1:29a Subj: PCUTILS Filearea. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Sunday September 19 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to All: Hello Boyd! BG> Please add PCUTILS to your tic areas. This area will be for utility BG> programs for the Planet Connect or if you have an information file BG> pertaining to planet connect that you would like to pass on to the rest of BG> the users. Just send anything you want to be redistributed to everyone BG> when you are dropping off mail and I will get it up onto the bird with its BG> own tic file. I kinda prefered the \skydata\personal directory approach. I look in there all the time for stuff (never find any but its fun to look :)) now I've got to make the netfileguy send me back any pcutil tics...grin..workin in circles :)) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 99 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/27/93 1:31a Subj: mail frequency Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Sunday September 19 1993, Clay Tinsley writes to Boyd Goodin: Hello Clay! CT> Nets 124 and 130 are large, over 350 nodes, and feed several smaller CT> nets as well. All feed from one machine, 124/1. This machine polls CT> 396/1 four times a day, five on weekends. CT> We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process to the CT> loop, 12 hours from the first one. If you have reasons for not doing CT> this, I'd like to hear them. We are very serious about dropping our $200 CT> a month backbone modem feed for satellite mail, but hate the associated CT> delays and its affect on such a large group. the delays arent that serious, see my message to boyd. the satalite beats out land lines flat with a one day turn around. the average turn around for land line is 3 days in my experiences. thats with our net polling 396/1 3 times a day. doesnt speed things up that much..just spreads out the processing. Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 100 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 09/28/93 10:40p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > these boys whining about stale old 24 hour mail is bs. the normal turn > around for mail from bc, canada to miami, FLorida is 3 days. the satalite > wins 2 days under par (once miami is running a dish of course <grin>) > plus a HUGE savings..our net polls John 3 times a day everyday for a So all we got to do is get every fidonet node out there on the dish and everyone is happy including me! Well exspecialy me cause then I could retire! ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 101 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 09/28/93 10:47p Subj: Re: PCUTILS Filearea. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I kinda prefered the \skydata\personal directory approach. I look in > there all the time for stuff (never find any but its fun to look :)) now > I've got to make the netfileguy send me back any pcutil > tics...grin..workin in circles :)) Ok well we kind of left that one for MAJOR upgrades to the software. With the PCUTILS filearea it will just be for the utiities. I know what you are saying but not everyone has it set up like you. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBERT WHITT Number: 102 To: TODD LYONS Date: 09/27/93 5:34p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd! In a msg of <24 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Boyd Goodin: TL> After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I TL> would like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent. Meaning, as they TL> are packed, put them into the queue at the uplink site. TL> Every time your computer sends the signal to ours to exit and process TL> mail, it can "adopt" those new bundles, delete old bundles (based on TL> age...some record keeping will need to be done on the uplink site to TL> accomplish this), and restart the uplink process... TL> I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh TL> echomail is a definite bonus. Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe most of us) will leave the service. I am aware that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most of us do not. I have never heard of anyone being so acute about up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the idea, do you have a dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72 hours turnaround...to say that we must all stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is not a resonable thing --- is this what you are suggesting here, or have I missed something? Robert --- GoldED 2.31 * Origin: Live via Satellite from the Earth Station (1:3645/20) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 103 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 09/29/93 1:15p Subj: mail frequency Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > No kidding, But lets not get stupid and tell them to raise > our prices until this system is not economically cheaper. Not saying that at all, Tim, just pointing out that there are other factors to consider. --)@ Patty @(-- P.S. Long time no type! --- InterMail 2.22 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 104 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 09/29/93 9:24p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Robert! > Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have > to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe most of us) > will leave the service. I am aware that some PC subscribers have a > dedicated dish - but most of us do not. I have never heard of anyone I didn't really believe that there were that many that didn't have it dedicated. > being so acute about up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the > idea, do you have a dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido I have a dedicated computer and dish to the satellite. I'll get whatever comes in, but not return it until between the hours of 5pm and 8am (when my long distance runs at 10 cents/min). > mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72 hours turnaround...to say that we must all > stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is not a resonable thing --- is this > what you are suggesting here, or have I missed something? I think it is what I am suggesting. I guess the best comparison is this: Do you share your voice line and BBS line? I don't want to dissuade anybody from getting the service. I know that this is the best thing to happen to our net since dirt was invented. Even if all mail is 24 hours old, it was better than the 40% of the backbone we were getting before. But, I will hanker for mail that is more up to date. And more of it, in the case of hte UseNet newsgroups. Just remember, that I'm not being combative either :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 105 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/29/93 8:40a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Here's a scenario, at 7:30 am you start to get new mail and files. -> Now during the day more files and mail are added to the -> data-stream. This will also include the news groups when we get them going. -> As the day goes by it will take longer and longer -> for the files that were put in at 7:30 am to come around again. So as you -> add more data to the stream it decreases the repeat -> time of the files you started out with. If we had to send 75 -> megs a day what is your window time to pick something up? -> Considering that we can only move a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is -> the rocket scientist out there? Well, Boyd, I'm no rocket scientist, but I can see where we get data bound.... However, I'm just picking up properly now (and tossing under the right address now). I have a few questions. What is the length of the gap between transmission windows? And can we make arrangements for non-essential stuff to be transmitted for the first bit of the window? The main reason for these questions is that I'm using a dedicated 286-12 to read the satellite and find that it takes it an in-ordinate amount of time to move stuff from the local drive to one of the network drives. Either a longer Gap (say 15-20 minutes) or inconsequential stuff (like the TV listing repeats or satellite pics) would be of great assistance. At any rate, I am new and these questions have probably been asked before. Thanks in advance, Jeff Olesen Viking's Cove. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 106 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/29/93 8:46a Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour -> period we will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation. -> When this happens you will then have to have a -> dedicated system. I should think that by the time this happens, a higher speed option should be easily available. Technology doesn't hold still for anyone. You would then be able to open a second transponder at a higher speed for those of us with dedicated dishes and a die-hard attitude <g>. Jeff O. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 107 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/29/93 8:49a Subj: Re: wall street journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> > The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here! -> -> No big rain storms yet eh? I am also running KU here and we have had nothing but storms for the last 5 days. No noticeable increase in errors whatsoever. Pretty sure my errors are caused by mis-alignment of the LNB anyway. I did however play it safe and spent the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the reflector area. Seems to have paid off. For those interested, I am located on the north shore of Lake Ontario. For a baby technology, it seems to be off and running already. I'm impressed with it. Jeff O. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 108 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 09/29/93 5:14a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Robert Whitt wrote in a message to Todd Lyons: RW> Hello Todd! RW> In a msg of <24 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Boyd Goodin: TL> After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I TL> would like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent. Meaning, as they TL> are packed, put them into the queue at the uplink site. RW> Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked RW> into PC have to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of RW> us (maybe most of us) will leave the service. I am aware RW> that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most of RW> us do not. I have never heard of anyone being so acute about I have a dedicated dish! I won't use the echomail as it is too slow, once or even twice a day is not going to be 'fresh' enough. As an 'END NODE' on the satellite, then once a day might be the ticket, but as a HUB who must service other HUBS, Netmail and Echomail must be moved as often as possible. Currently, I connect with another Zone Hub, every 3 hours, to exchange mail... Just another point of view... now the FILES and USENET... another matter <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 109 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/01/93 7:27p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No JO> it takes it an in-ordinate amount of time to move stuff from JO> the local drive to one of the network drives. Either a JO> longer Gap (say 15-20 minutes) or inconsequential stuff Jeff, PCUtils was made for networks, and will move the files off your dedicated node on the fly from any other node, and will allow you to bring the PCMAIN program right back on line after the exit. That's unless they have decided to change it along with everything else.... John........ --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: * Genesis * 391 Hub/Satellite Downlink * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 110 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/01/93 7:35p Subj: dead feed Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, you get my netmail message, I may not be able to receive but I can sure send stuff out.............. John......... --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: * Genesis * 391 Hub/Satellite Downlink * (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK SALERNO Number: 111 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/01/93 11:29p Subj: Planet connect echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Is it possible to make the Planet Connect Echo a public echo on my BBS in case anyone wanted to chat about Planet Connect? If I understand a previous post, from a while back, it stated we would be using PCSITES for a private echo for systems already connected to Planet Connect, right? --- TosScan 1.00 * Origin: MindLess One's BBS, Weirton WV, U.S.A. (1:129/161) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 112 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/02/93 8:06a Subj: wall street journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > For a baby technology, it seems to be off and running already. I'm > impressed with it. They have been doing this for a couple of months. They got most of the bugs out before we came around <g> > -> No big rain storms yet eh? > I am also running KU here and we have had nothing but storms for the > last 5 days. No noticeable increase in errors whatsoever. Pretty sure my > errors are caused by mis-alignment of the LNB anyway. I did however play > it safe and spent the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the > reflector area. Seems to have paid off. For those interested, I am Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting. I would have to spend money for that though :( Money that i don't have... See y Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 113 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/02/93 8:12a Subj: Changing PC transmission. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I wish that you would have given us a LITTLE more warning about the change. Also, when you are going to change the PCINFO.TXT (especially when it comes to something real important) kindly let us know. OR if you prefer me to monitor it, I can. I hadn't before because in the two months that I've been here, it had changed once (before the 29th) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBERT WHITT Number: 114 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/02/93 11:06a Subj: vote Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! BG>> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you BG>> out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to BG>> 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh BG>> the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the BG>> uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything BG>> there will be less chance of picking it up again since the BG>> retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone say? I vote to have the changeover time occur at 3am and 3pm - this way, those of us who listen overnight can capture both feeds and still not tell the family to keep their hands off the reciever when they are awake. If this is done, any feed between 3am & 3pm is 'first' mail, 3pm to 3am is 2nd shift stuff and THAT schedule would cut right thru the middle of anybody's tune-in time - both full and part-time listeners alike. Robert --- GoldED 2.31 * Origin: Live via Satellite from the Earth Station (1:3645/20) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBERT WHITT Number: 115 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/02/93 11:16a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd! In a msg of <29 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Robert Whitt: TL> I didn't really believe that there were that many that didn't have it TL> dedicated. I could be wrong, but I would guess that probably half of us just didn't see fit to go and buy another dish for Planet Connect <GRIN>. TL> I have a dedicated computer and dish to the satellite. I'll get TL> whatever comes in, but not return it until between the hours of 5pm TL> and 8am (when my long distance runs at 10 cents/min). Understood - I hadn't really planned on popping down another $800/$900 for a dedicated dish for this "hobby", but then - I hadn't planned to spend several thousand dollars on hardware for it either (to begin with). TL> I think it is what I am suggesting. I could agree with you if the majority of users are found to have a dedicated dish - and, if THAT is the case, I will have to go with the majority and buy a dedicated dish - but if the majority do not have such a setup, it would be folly to require everyone to try to keep such a schedule. TL> I guess the best comparison is this: Do you share your voice line and TL> BBS line? No, but a telephone line does not require a $600 to $1200 dollar investment. TL> I don't want to dissuade anybody from getting the service. I know TL> that this is the best thing to happen to our net since dirt was TL> invented. Even if all mail is 24 hours old, it was better than the TL> 40% of the backbone we were getting before. But, I will hanker for TL> mail that is more up to date. And more of it, in the case of hte TL> UseNet newsgroups. I appreciate your point, but I had to speak up for those of us who have not dedicated a dish to thier BBS/Mail - and until I find out otherwise, I will assume that those are the majority. Your proposal would be fine if *all* of the users have a dedicated dish. Robert --- GoldED 2.31 * Origin: Live via Satellite from the Earth Station (1:3645/20) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 116 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 10/01/93 11:25a Subj: Satellite schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have to -> dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe -> most of us) will leave the service. I am aware that some PC -> subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most of us do not. I -> have never heard of anyone being so acute about -> up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the idea, do you have a Most of us are in fact SYSOPS trying to cut our LD bills. My LD alone is $252.88 this month. I jsut turned the dish on a week ago, and I expect next months bill to be about $120. There are still a few nets to get started yet and I expect to be down around $80 per month. This means the system will pay for it's $900 price tag in about 6-10 months. And I'm getting 10 times the traffic inbound plus files. Acuteness has nothing to do with it. Simple economics. -> dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take For me at least, turn around is not an issue. Skaal, White Viking -}-----» 8) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 117 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/01/93 11:26a Subj: Satellite schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No RW> dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take For me at least, turn around is not an issue. RW> 24-72 hours turnaround...to say that we must RW> all stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is not a resonable thing RW> --- is this what you are suggesting here, or have I missed something? Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and leave the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band will have dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the C-bander's probably already had the dish for watching the football/hockey games 24-hours a day. I am running K-band and obviously favor free-running, although with a longer gap in transmission to allow moving the stuff off the local drives onto the network drives for processing by another system. My 286-12 with an MFM drive can't tolerate another system accessing it's drives while linked to the bird and it's is slow as molasses transferring the files to the network. Also can't link to the bird and save to the network drives. I will be replacing the 386-12 with an SX-40 shortly and that may solve my problem. But I suspect not everyone can afford to throw money at the problem to solve it. Skaal, White Viking -}-----» ≈8) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 118 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/01/93 3:19a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! 27 Sep 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Eric Fisher: BG> Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour period BG> we will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation. When BG> this happens you will then have to have a dedicated system. Will FidoNet mail pkts be made smaller in that case? Seems like one error, and you never get that mail, if it only comes around once.. Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 119 To: FRANK SALERNO Date: 10/03/93 2:18p Subj: Re: Planet connect echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Is it possible to make the Planet Connect Echo a public echo on my BBS in > case anyone wanted to chat about Planet Connect? If I understand a > previous post, from a while back, it stated we would be using PCSITES for > a private echo for systems already connected to Planet Connect, right? PLANET_CONNECT is the PUBLIC echo. You can post this echo on your board for your users. PCSITES is for PC system sysops and is private. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 120 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/03/93 2:21p Subj: Re: wall street journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting. I would have > to spend money for that though :( Money that i don't have... Also remember that we will trade your C-band data-receiver for a KU-band receiver. All you would have to pay is the shipping. So all you would have to get is everything except the receiver. .....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 121 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/03/93 2:26p Subj: Re: Changing PC transmission. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I wish that you would have given us a LITTLE more warning about the > change. Also, when you are going to change the PCINFO.TXT (especially I am sorry for what has happened but I did not know till two days prier to the 30th. It was by luck that I caught it at that time. After the 6th any new upgrades to the software will be sent to you over the satellite with suffiencent notice. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 122 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 10/03/93 2:27p Subj: Re: vote Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I vote to have the changeover time occur at 3am and 3pm - this way, those > of us who listen overnight can capture both feeds and still not tell the > family Noted and thanks. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 123 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/03/93 2:28p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Will FidoNet mail pkts be made smaller in that case? Seems like one > error, and you never get that mail, if it only comes around once.. All compressed bundles are between 300 and 400K. For the precise reason you stated above, we keep the bundles that size. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 124 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/03/93 2:37p Subj: Re: Satellite schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and > leave the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band > will have dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the > C-bander's probably already had the dish for watching the football/hockey > games 24-hours a day. This would not be cost effective. Since the C-band uplink and Ku uplink are in two different states, there would be cost involved the would make it a bit more expensive per month on your end. > I will be replacing the 386-12 with an SX-40 shortly and that may solve > my problem. But I suspect not everyone can afford to throw money at the > problem to solve it. Thats true and hopefully in the future we will have a program that will work in a multi-tasking enviroment. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 125 To: JIM WATSON Date: 10/03/93 2:39p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > What happens if you get an error on a particular file then? You lose the file. I dont think that we will ever send 155 megs a day. If we get up that high it would justify having another carrier. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN SOUVESTRE Number: 126 To: ALL Date: 10/03/93 11:14p Subj: UtilNet Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Original to Kevin & Janis at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet" * Forwarded Sun Oct 03 1993 23:37:32 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1 Hello Kevin & Janis. Having read your decision to pull UtilNet from Planet Connect distribution, I'd like to note a few things: 1) This decision made without any discussion by the membership. 2) When Jerry Seward decided to drop UtilNet he said that it was welcome to continue and distribute via any means. On that basis, it was I who suggested that the Filebone continue the area. 3) When Kevin called me to discuss Janis and he heading up the "new" UtilNet the one question I asked was regarding satellite distribution (considering Janis' position on the matter as per PDN). Kevin assured me that UtilNet would remain available for satellite distribution. It seems to me that you have violated the trust put in you by the membership of UtilNet. I call for the membership to express their opinion. If you can't run the area accordingly, then I'd suggest that you resign. Regards, John P.S. I guess that we can start the tally with Janis and Kevin against Planet Connect distribution and John for. --- Squish/386 v1.10 BETA/5a * Origin: Southern Star - V32b/V.FC/HST/ZYX - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 127 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 10/03/93 5:10p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked > into PC have to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of > us (maybe most of us) will leave the service. I am aware > that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most Dunno about the majority of the deal, Robert, but once we receive our dish & receiver (hint, hint, Boyd!) we'll be running it as a dedicated satellite receiver. Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS box and if so, how well is it running? Any timing problems? > about up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the > idea, do you have a dedicated phone line & a hook into > Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72 hours I wish... Unfortunately T1 connections don't grow on trees or satellite dishes. :sigh: --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.22 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TONY HONAKER Number: 128 To: ALL Date: 10/03/93 7:55p Subj: Vote??? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I see all this stuff about a vote... I must have miss something.. I would vote that IBM give me a new computer But I really dont think it will work. :-) --- WM v3.01/91-0178 * Origin: BlueWater 512-883-7839 BEST BBS in South (1:160/260.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 129 To: ROBERT WHITT Date: 10/04/93 6:59a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Robert! 02 Oct 93, Robert Whitt writes to Todd Lyons: RW> Understood - I hadn't really planned on popping down another $800/$900 for RW> a dedicated dish for this "hobby", but then - I hadn't planned to spend RW> several thousand dollars on hardware for it either (to begin with). I think if you look around, you can find a 2' C Band dish and LNB for a LOT less than $800-$900. If not, I'll be glad to sell you one for $750! <g> RW> No, but a telephone line does not require a $600 to $1200 dollar RW> investment. How much was your bbs computer? Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN SOUVESTRE Number: 130 To: ALL Date: 10/05/93 8:51p Subj: No Vote Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2" * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993 21:09:08 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1 I spoke last night with Kevin Snively. He informed me that no matter how the membership voted he and Janis would not change their mind about not allowing Planet Connect to distribute UtilNet. Based on this a number of us decided to vote with our feet. Please see the following message. John --- Squish/386 v1.10 BETA/5a * Origin: Southern Star - V32b/V.FC/HST/ZYX - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN SOUVESTRE Number: 131 To: ALL Date: 10/05/93 8:53p Subj: UtilNet2 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2" * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993 21:09:20 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1 Announcing a new file distribution network: Utility Net 2 --------------- Here's the upcoming FILEBONE.NA description: Area UTILNET2 0 ! UtilNet2 FDN: Utility Files ; Temp HeadQuarters: 1:396/1 John Souvestre ; Hatching: 1:2613/333 Jerry Seward ; SysOp Conference: UTILNET2 Jerry Seward, founder of the original UtilNet, has returned and will be hatching current versions of your favorite utilities in UtilNet2. UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet Connect. John --- Squish/386 v1.10 BETA/5a * Origin: Southern Star - V32b/V.FC/HST/ZYX - 504-885-5928 - (1:396/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 132 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 09/27/93 1:34a Subj: Here we are Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Tuesday September 21 1993, Murray Pletsch writes to Ken Kavanagh: Hello Murray! MP> This is exactly what I will be doing also. Plus relaying the filebone to MP> the NFC. The setup is my personal endeavour and the data will be provided MP> to the net through an agreement. the rec/nec/nfc and myself worked out a rather ingenious way to get the mail to the *EC's both without having to make two copies before sending it (it was our NEC that came up with the idea) Hatch the 0000ffff's to both nodes after I get it..and tic will delete the "passthrough" files after BOTH have received them :)) totally perfect for me. once we start seeing more regular mail and file feeds (still get a missing TIC or FIles once in a while, and the backbone tends to be a little uneven day to day with the amount of mail) the nec and rec will both get a feed of the data and the nfc gets his files. smooth as silk :) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 133 To: JOHN REYNOLDS Date: 09/27/93 1:39a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Wednesday September 22 1993, John Reynolds writes to Tim Jacobs: Hello John! TJ>> I vote no. One problem with the system and I lose half a TJ>> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for TJ>> it. If my system did nothing but get mail that is a TJ>> differnt story. I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours TJ>> a day, and that envolves some TV watching. JR> The cost of a demodulator and a fixed dish are about $600 (as I understand i got my dish cable stand bla bla bla for $500 canadian out of the buynsell. I'm very pleased about that little coup d'etat <grin> the receiver was an extra 400+ after exchange and duty JR> mail locally! I think the marketing of the system is going to be to the JR> Nets rather than to individuals. i think you're very correct! :) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 134 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/27/93 1:42a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Friday September 24 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Rob Nelson: Hello Boyd! BG> Here's a scenario, at 7:30 am you start to get new mail and files. Now BG> during the day more files and mail are added to the data-stream. This will BG> also include the news groups when we get them going. As the day goes by it BG> will take longer and longer for the files that were put in at 7:30 am to BG> come around again. So as you add more data to the stream it decreases the BG> repeat time of the files you started out with. If we had to send 75 megs a BG> day what is your window time to pick something up? Considering that we can BG> only move a little over 6 megs an hour. well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail bundles to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal then after 7am, all mail that gets tossed gets named 7pm.mo? keep transmitting the 7am mail till 7am the next day. keep transmitting the 7pm mail from 7pm to 7pm the next day..that way the parttime users can get everything at least once during the day, where as the "gotta have it instantly crowd" can toss "fresh' mail twice a day. this is just putting method to that other fellows very good idea. BG> Ok, who is the rocket scientist BG> out there? ...Boyd not me :) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 135 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 09/28/93 7:34p Subj: Here we are Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Ken! Monday September 27 1993, Ken Kavanagh writes to Murray Pletsch: KK> the rec/nec/nfc and myself worked out a rather ingenious way to get the KK> mail to the *EC's both without having to make two copies before sending it KK> (it was our NEC that came up with the idea) Hatch the 0000ffff's to both KK> nodes after I get it..and tic will delete the "passthrough" files after KK> BOTH have received them :)) totally perfect for me. once we start seeing It did require some batch file majik and a util to accomplish. A problem with using Hatch is that when "you" hatch files into a PassThru area Hatch "assumes" you do not really want to delete them after sending, so creates incorrect *.PT files. The batch file corrects this problem.... If you want it, fREQuest PLANETIC.ZIP 26012 09-26-93 We are really looking forward to changing over to SkyLink as opposed to Landline for bringing the mail into Net 153.... Cheers, Ervin NEC, Net 153 ... Cinema should make you forget you are sitting in a theater. - Roman Polanski --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM WATSON Number: 136 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/05/93 1:48p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > What happens if you get an error on a particular file then? BG> BG> You lose the file. I dont think that we will ever If you "lose the file", then it won't be a reliable method of transferring mail bundles... --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: <CyBorg ConTrol> (1:170/610) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 137 To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Date: 10/06/93 8:13p Subj: UtilNet2 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No John-- JS> Announcing a new file distribution network: JS> Utility Net 2 JS> -+--+--+--+--+- JS> Jerry Seward, founder of the original UtilNet, has returned and will be JS> hatching current versions of your favorite utilities in UtilNet2. JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet Connect. WAY TO GO, JOHN!!!!!!!! Wow, man, this is really using some clout!!!!! Thank God SOMEONE around here has some sense!!!! I mean, what in the h*ll is wrong with these people? Aren't SHAREWARE/FREEWARE files for the good of us all?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I appreciate you taking an interest in this and doing something about it. And, THANK YOU, Jerry! And, thank God for democracy!!!! Ken --- GEcho/386 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <Home of DELTAnet> 601/453-3963 (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 138 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/05/93 9:47p Subj: UTILNET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave James scribbled in a note to Kevin: DJ> This is totally BULL!!! Let's get with the program, the DJ> FILEBONE was designed to help distribute FILES, not get in DJ> the way! DJ> UTILNET was/is OPEN distribution... if you want to keep DJ> restricting how the FILES get moved around, maybe we should DJ> just get someone else that is not so restrictive! DJ> I vote it stays ON the Satellite feed! I can't believe some people are so far back in the dark ages that they try this "restricted" feed stuff. They ought to know in this wonderful electronic world of ours that "where there is a will, there is a way" and their pompus ruling will only get themselves more isolated. Way to go Dave! Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 139 To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Date: 10/05/93 11:29p Subj: UtilNet2 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No John Souvestre scribbled in a note to All: JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet JS> Connect. Way to go John! Any possibility of something being done about PDN while you are at it :-) Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 140 To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Date: 10/06/93 4:54a Subj: No Vote Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I spoke last night with Kevin Snively. He informed me that no matter > how the membership voted he and Janis would not change their mind about > not allowing Planet Connect to distribute UtilNet. > Based on this a number of us decided to vote with our feet. Please see > the following message. Thanks, John!! --==jb==-- --- * Origin: The SANDBOX ** MultiLine TBBS ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34.28) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB NELSON Number: 141 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/04/93 3:53p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Robert Whitt: PP> Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS PP> box and if so, how well is it running? Any timing problems? I have tried running PC on my BBS machine (running OS/2). The software runs fine, but once you get several things going at once errors start to crop up. I was suprised at how well it did run though. I would imagine that an OS/2 or DV system running a smart serial card such as a Digiboard or equivilent would handle the task just fine. For now I run PC on a dedicated DOS machine. Cheers, Rob --- timEd/2-B9 * Origin: The Exchange, Prince George BC (604)962-5971 V32.bis (1:359/200) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 142 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/04/93 9:33a Subj: Wall street journal Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > it safe and spent the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the > reflector area. Seems to have paid off. For those interested, I am TL>Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting. I would have TL>to spend money for that though :( Money that i don't have... I didn't exactly have it either. But my phone bill was fairly ridiculous and the entire system will be paid for in about 6 months just through savings on the phone. If one factors in the increased feed and files, it was paid for in the first week <g>. Skaal, White Viking -}-----» === ■ DeLuxe²/386 1.25 #7679 ■ Borger King: Have it our way, yours is irrelevant. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 143 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/08/93 12:41a Subj: UTILNET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > UTILNET was/is OPEN distribution... if you want to keep restricting how > the FILES get moved around, maybe we should just get someone else that > is not so restrictive! > I vote it stays ON the Satellite feed! YES! See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 144 To: JOHN SOUVESTRE Date: 10/08/93 12:43a Subj: UtilNet2 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2" > * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993 21:09:20 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1 > > Announcing a new file distribution network: > Utility Net 2 And we all appreciate it John! Thanks! Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 145 To: JOHN REYNOLDS Date: 10/08/93 12:46a Subj: UtilNet2 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet > JS> Connect. > Way to go John! Any possibility of something being done about PDN while > you are at it :-) :-) <crossed-fingers> See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 146 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/07/93 5:32p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail > bundles to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal It is workable but how come nobody takes into account that WE have to modem all this stuff up to the uplink. With the current software at the uplink we could not do that as we have to shut the process down, add our files to send, then start the process up. Once we have our uplink software changed to add and transmit files onthe fly then we could do this. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 147 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/07/93 11:29a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I guess the best comparison is this: Do you share your voice line and > BBS line? I know you arn't talking to me but I know many people that do. I also do use my voice line for data. I deliver all mail at night via my voice line. I takes no incoming data but delivers massive mail at night. That way it frees the other 3 lines for users. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 148 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/07/93 12:05p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS box > and if so, how well is it running? Any timing problems? I couldn't get it to work without massive errors. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 149 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/07/93 3:33p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Ken! 27 Sep 93, Ken Kavanagh writes to John Reynolds: JR>> mail locally! I think the marketing of the system is going to be to JR>> the Nets rather than to individuals. KK> i think you're very correct! :) Maybe. In our net, the availability of the entire fb/bb at a cheap flat rate has raised the amount of mail each node requests. This has filled up the 24 hour period that our net hub can deliver mail. Because of the increased busy signals, 2 other nodes in our net have plans to put in their own. That, along with the extra "receiving node only services" that are becoming available.. I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those with larger systems will tend to start picking up their own dish due to the affordability.. What'cha think? Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 150 To: ROB NELSON Date: 10/08/93 9:36p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > The software runs fine, but once you get several things > going at once errors start to crop up. I was suprised at > how well it did run though. I would imagine that an OS/2 or > DV system running a smart serial card such as a Digiboard > or equivilent would handle the task just fine. For now I > run PC on a dedicated DOS machine. I was thinking of running it on a semi-dedicated OS/2 machine with 16550 UARTS, Rob. Semi-dedicated in that it would also be doing periodic backups of the network drives. Thanks much for the info! --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.22 * Origin: OS/2: Not just up & coming. Up & Running! (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RANDY SHERWYN Number: 151 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/09/93 5:14a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > That, along with the extra "receiving node only services" > that are becoming available.. > > I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those > with larger systems will tend to start picking up their own > dish due to the affordability.. > > What'cha think? Exactamundo! I am an Asst NEC ( definition=didn't want to be NEC again but offered to help! ) I now bring in the nets mail and pass it over to the NEC for distribution. I, of course, utilize the mail and files (and dying for the InterNet feed, which is why I put the sat dish up) and look forward to the little extras (nat classifieds, TV, etc) as a little excluisve bonus for my MajorBBS system. Net gets the entire backbone at an afforable rate as opposed to phone lines, and I get mail first and the nifty little extras: Everybody wins! But there has been talk of a few others who would like to have their own dish, and I imagine within the next few months Boyd & Joe will have some additional sales here in SW Florida. Randy --- via Satellite/GEcho+ * Origin: *ASTRO* (14 CD's..Major-MultiLine) 277-0906 (1:371/30) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 152 To: PLANET CONNECT PEOPLE Date: 10/09/93 6:46a Subj: Dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are there any plans to update that dongle that has to be plugged into the printer port on the Planet Connect dedicated computer? Many people will not have a printer available to be plugged into this computer, and it is my understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the system, AND online all hours of operation, that the system will not function. This would seem to be an unnecessary burden to place on the customer in the name of commercial protection. From this end, I have blown up printer power supplies from having them powered on for long periods of time (specifically Star Micronics, Panasonic, and NEC). As long as the problem printer REMAINS on, it will basically run forever, but if it is ever shut down for any reason (blackouts, moving system, etc), some part of the power supply can be electrically worn and will not hold power on any future attempt to power up. This is a VERY expensive repair on inexpensive printers, and is an unneccessary part of a Planet Connect computer installation (other than for that darn protection device). For example, on my $795 NEC P5 printer, they wanted $520 to repair the power supply. I have only had this problem, and had customers with this problem on printers kept on over a year period of time. But you DO want to encourage long time customers, don't you? <g> Also, with increased data load, the full time dedicated system will fast become a reality, not to mention the lazy bbs sysop likes to set things up and let them run, making them especially susceptible to this problem. Surely there must be some other form of protection for your data stream.. Perhaps a terminated device for those that are not planning on hooking up a printer? Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 153 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 10/07/93 8:58a Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Friday October 01 1993, John Morano writes to Jeff Olesen: Hello John! JM> Jeff, PCUtils was made for networks, and will move the files off your JM> dedicated node on the fly from any other node, and will allow you to bring JM> the PCMAIN program right back on line after the exit. from what you say above, can I run Pcutil on another node to move the inbound sat_mail to another machine and immediately bring pccmain backup? I'm running lantastic and from everything I tried, pccmain wont properly recieve when its machine is in server mode (which is the only way I could see running pcutil at the same time from another node) I'd just get errors. HOw are you doing this to not get errors once pccmain is backup?? The only way I can see the dedicated sat computer being a server as well, is for PC to add 16550 UART support to pccmain.exe. Currently I can teven force the buffering on and see the software use it. Once they add that, then multitasking is a breeze. :) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 154 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/10/93 1:12p Subj: Re: Dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > not have a printer available to be plugged into this computer, and it is > my understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the system, AND > online all hours of operation, that the system will not function. This No! If you just plug the dongle into the printer port and dont have a printer hooked up then it will work ok. If you have a printer inline with the dongle then and only then would you be required to have to have the printer on. When the dongle is the only thing hooked to the printer port you do not need a printer what so ever. > Surely there must be some other form of protection for your data stream.. > Perhaps a terminated device for those that are not planning on hooking up > a printer? As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 155 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/10/93 9:55a Subj: Dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rick Ashworth wrote in a message to Planet Connect People: RA> dedicated computer? Many people will not have a printer RA> available to be plugged into this computer, and it is my RA> understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the RA> system, AND online all hours of operation, that the system RA> will not function. This would seem to be an unnecessary I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem that I have noticed, is that IF you do have a printer attached, it must be ON at all times... they are working on that... I just dropped the printer cable, and all is well, of course, I have 3 other machines to run a printer from <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 156 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/10/93 2:13p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I'm running lantastic and from everything I tried, pccmain wont properly > recieve when its machine is in server mode (which is the only way I Hell at least you could get it to run. Would lock up my server as soon as it came up. > could see running pcutil at the same time from another node) I'd just > get errors. HOw are you doing this to not get errors once pccmain is If you have a spare machine and network card (can be a 286 or even an XT) just have the satellite computer dump it to a dedicated server's hard drive. Then have a copy of FD or something sitting on that XT. Write a semaphore which causes it to drop and do the mail. As long as all the stuff is on the server, all nodes can access it. It's slow as hell, but it does work... > backup?? The only way I can see the dedicated sat computer being a > server as well, is for PC to add 16550 UART support to pccmain.exe. > Currently I can teven force the buffering on and see the software use > it. Once they add that, then multitasking is a breeze. :) Yes I'd love to see it running under DV over here, but I think that would slow down my system so much that it's really not a top priority over here... See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK SCHEEL Number: 157 To: ALL Date: 10/10/93 12:45p Subj: DISK ACCESS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is doing to the life of my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as how to keep the program from writing to the disk every block? It is my understanding that you cannot use a disk cache. Also have intermitent problem getting a large amount of errors. Seems the only way to correct it is to kill power to the PC receiver and bringing it back up. It seems as if the afc circuit has stopped working. It seems to take a long time for it to lock back on tke freq. once you power back up. Once it does it works error free for some time. There is no noticeable drop in the signal level as displayed by the meter. Later, <_Frank_> --- timEd/2-B9 * Origin: Frank's Station (via OS2 from me to you) (1:19/148) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 158 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/11/93 1:23p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Ken Kavanagh: TL> Yes I'd love to see it running under DV over here, but I TL> think that would slow down my system so much that it's TL> really not a top priority over here... I have been running under DV for about 3 weeks now and it seems to be working without a flaw. The newer software that we started running OCT 6 even runs much better under dv because the increased speed doesn't hog the cpu time so long. I don't have a 16550 uart buffer but I believe it would be a good idea to get one. If you run a cd rom disc it may cause problems for dv/Planet Connect because they tend to freeze the system a little too long. I found that setting my tics to 1 and 1 worked best. It prevented errors when copying to a floppy disc or changing windows. I'm running on a 40 mhz 386. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 159 To: ALL Date: 10/11/93 12:52a Subj: Problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi All, Just a report on my system and what it is doing. I'm located on the north-shore of Lake Ontario and getting fine reception. My reception quality is down to 3 9's because of a damaged dish (I am a klutz and seem to have warped or mis-assembled the dish).Anyone have any ideas on how to re-align the the LNB? Now on to other problems. 1) Time interval. I am currrently running Planet-Connect on a 386SX-40 single-tasking under Little Big Lan with 10Mb NE2000 EtherNet cards. The problem I have is speed. I cannot write to a LAN drive without errors. I have to write to a local drive and then transfer to the LAN drive. This means minimum 5 minutes on a light day and up to 20 minutes on a heavy day to transfer the files to a LAN drive. Under NO circumstances can any other machine access the satellite local drive while download is being done. With or without a 16550 installed (to make the 16550 work, install a fossil). I am losing files at the start of the cycle because of this. Has anyone else overcome any of part of this problem?? 2) PCUtils: Needs to be expanded. It is a lovely program that works exactly as intended. One suggestion for improvement would be to add in other areas. Right now it only processes the FILES are for FIDO and FILEBONE stuff. Would like to see handling for QWK (and yes, I can see how difficult it could be with the same filenames every day). I currently have batch files set up, but they are not infallible and I am relying on many semaphore files to to keep collisions to a minimum. 3) TV and weather stuff. I believe this stuff is for posting on our boards right?? Well, we need some sort of file descriptor to be sent along with them to allow automatic tossing via TICK. Anyone got any suggestions on how to handle these areas? I am doing it manually right now and do not intend to continue doing so. 4) Reception errors. As I said, my reception is down to 3 9's and I get errors on long files. We had one file come in today that is 6.25Mb long. I had 3-5 errors in each attempt to get that one. I would like to see the system adapted to allow a record to be kept for each file that had an error and then be able to combine two or more bad files with MARKED bad records to generate a single good one. I realize it would be a rather monumental task to track the errors, but I also think it would be worth it. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 160 To: ALL Date: 10/08/93 7:05p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello all! Center of the Cosmos is trying to carry this conference for all the fine folks in Mobile Alabama. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 161 To: ALL Date: 10/10/93 12:38a Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello all! I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work... --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK STENNETT Number: 162 To: FRANK SCHEEL Date: 10/11/93 7:30a Subj: DISK ACCESS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No FS> I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is FS> doing to the life of my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as FS> how to keep the program from writing to the disk every FS> block? It is my understanding that you cannot use a disk FS> cache. It can't be any worse than chucking the backbone... :) --- timEd-B9 * Origin: DATAMAZE CONSOLE (1:203/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 163 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/11/93 1:01p Subj: DONGLE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem >that I have noticed, is that IF you do have a printer attached, it must be >ON at all times... they are working on that... I just dropped the printer If I have this right... So first I have to buy a printer card for the receiver system. Then I can't connect a printer even if I *want* to. This is getting ugly real fast. I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser! And to top it off I have to dedicate a machine full-time to the receiver because it doesn't know about buffered UARTs. Will one of the Planet Connect representatives say something soothing or technical that explains all these troubles away as a simple misunderstanding? Pretty please. My dish is in. Finally. Isn't sudden growth grand? <g> --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 164 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/12/93 2:37p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello all! > I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work... Looks like it's working Terry. How's the pre-owned CD ROM Drive business going? The drives I got from you are still going strong! Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 165 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/11/93 7:19p Subj: Re: dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main -> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems. May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40 system to use for the satellite and I had to exchange my AT I/O card for another one because the first one didn't like the dongle. I don't recall the error message, but a printer worked in the port so it wasn't defective. Jeff O. Viking's Cove. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Viking's Cove BBS * (613)394-5919 * Trenton ON Canada (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RANDY SHERWYN Number: 166 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/12/93 12:39p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello all! > > I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work... > Gee terry, keep tryin!..I'll let you know when it gets here.. :>) (yea, I know, theres one in every crowd) Randy *ASTRO* BBS --- via Satellite/GEcho+ * Origin: *ASTRO* (14 CD's..Major-MultiLine) 277-0906 (1:371/30) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 167 To: FRANK SCHEEL Date: 10/12/93 1:07p Subj: DISK ACCESS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is doing to the > life of my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as how to keep the program > from writing to the disk every block? It is my understanding that you > cannot use a disk cache. If a hard drive is spinning, it's spinning. It's not going to make a whole lot of difference writing one block at a time, or moving it all in one chunk (which it does anyway) > Also have intermitent problem getting a large amount of errors. Seems > the only way to correct it is to kill power to the PC > receiver and bringing it back up. It seems as if the afc circuit has > stopped working. It seems to take a long time for it to lock back on > tke freq. once you power back up. Once it does it works error free for > some time. There is no noticeable drop in the signal level as displayed > by the meter. Check your polarity. That's what caused it on mine. When I adjusted mine all errors went away... See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 168 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/12/93 1:15p Subj: Problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > 3) TV and weather stuff. I believe this stuff is for posting on our > boards right?? Well, we need some sort of file descriptor to be sent > along with them to allow automatic tossing via TICK. Anyone got any > suggestions on how to handle these areas? I am doing it manually right > now and do not intend to continue doing so. From my bat file: copy c:\skydata\weather c:\skydata\weather.sav YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\WEATHMAP.ARC YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\RADAR.ARC YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\SATELITE.ARC COPY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER M:\FILES\WEATHER ECHO Y|DEL C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER Then in my bbs: Lyons' Den BBS---The Lake Area's [-] Return to File Menu Source for up to date Weather Maps [!] Logoff the BBS [1] Download the most recent radar map [2] Download the most recent weather forecast [3] Download the most recent satellite photos [4] Download SHOW.EXE (to view the *.PCX pics) [F] List Archived Files (Tag to Download) [R] Raw Listing of Current Weather Maps [D] Begin Download of Tagged Files Note: Extension is *.ARC but use PKUnzip to extract. (^~ min^): Numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 do a direct download of the files that I copied over to the weather.sav subdir. F shows the listing of the files that YEARDAY changed the extension of. R shows a raw subdir of the weather.sav subdir. D starts the download of the tagged files. > 4) Reception errors. As I said, my reception is down to 3 9's and I get > errors on long files. We had one file come in today that is 6.25Mb long. > I had 3-5 errors in each attempt to get that one. I would like to see > the system adapted to allow a record to be kept for each file that had > an error and then be able to combine two or more bad files with MARKED > bad records to generate a single good one. I realize it would be a > rather monumental task to track the errors, but I also think it would be > worth it. Adjust your pitch, angle, and polarity and see if those don't go away. Are you Ku or C band? (G4 or G3 satellite) I would also definitely invest in a 16550. I also load a fossil driver (for what good it does) and lock the port at 19200. It doesn't really use it just yet (I don't think) but it will be there if and when fossil/16550 support is ever added. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM WATSON Number: 169 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 10/12/93 9:10p Subj: FILE AREA TITLES.... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No CW> Anyway, I've been trying to make head nor tail out of CW> all the tic files, an the filearea.cur file only lists CW> the area tags. Could you possibly provide us a list of CW> what each of these areas area? What is SURVDIFF? SV_* SurvDiff and SV are the Survival Network file sections. For a complete list of what's being shipped up via the Filebone or most other echos, grab you a copy of Filebone.Na Cheers --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Dogs crawl under fences... Software crawls under Windows! (1:170/610) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 170 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/11/93 8:59a Subj: DONGLE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Are there any plans to update that dongle that has to be plugged > into the printer port on the Planet Connect dedicated computer? > Many people will not have a printer available to be plugged into > this computer, and it is my understanding that unless a printer is Rick, I do not have a printer plugged into mine and it works just fine.. --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 171 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/12/93 8:16p Subj: PROBLEMS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jeff, I am running the sat on a 386x40 as a workstation on a Novell Net ware Lite. I am not having any problems at all writing to the server.. You might try runnning Norton SI and do a benchmark on the network... You might have a bad card.. But writing to the net should not be a problem...I know several people running it under both Lantastic and Novell... As far as aligning your dish again... The best is by actually making measuring the proper distances to make sure you lnb is centered and then take the receiver out to the dish and use the meter to max it out... --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEITH SIPPY Number: 172 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/13/93 10:34a Subj: Dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No RA> dedicated computer? Many people will not have a RA> printer available to be plugged into this computer, and RA> it is my understanding that unless a printer is plugged RA> into the system, AND online all hours of operation, RA> that the system will not function. This would seem to RA> be an unnecessary burden to place on the customer in Actually when I first installed it it wouldn't work with the printer connected and on. I then took the printer off and it worked fine. So going by my experience it already does that. I just moved the printer to another computer on the network. Probably better anyway. Keith --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Aardvark's Aquarium, Mail from geostationary orbit. (1:283/121) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 173 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/13/93 10:24p Subj: satellite shot... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd: 1. I am up and working "fivers" for the past two or three days, thanks to Dave Smith and his concern and sense of urgency. 2. Next week the net feed will swing over and we will be full operation. 3. We have not received our rains yet here on Vancouver Island....but I am quite optomistic about the quality of the signal. Time will tell. I am using a 48" ku band dish and I had a pro set it up for me thereby guaranteeing an optimum signal strength. 4. A couple of weeks ago you asked for comments and suggestions about the state/cycle/content of the satellite dump. I chuck my hat in on the side that recommends the second main cycle. The fact that the current upload comes in 2.5 to 3.0 hours.....the other 21 hours of the day are "wasted" imho. Splitting the day into two 12 cycles would be much appreciated by many sysops around this neck of the woods who would then receive fresh mail. 5. Keep up the good work and look forward to this thing evolving. Regards....Murray Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: Family Research BBS, Nanaimo, BC, CANADA 604-758-8157 (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 174 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/13/93 9:40p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No KK> from what you say above, can I run Pcutil on another node to KK> move the inbound sat_mail to another machine and immediately KK> bring pccmain backup? Exactomundo......... Just set the bat file on the receiver node to just loop on the exit and then on another node ( I use my main mail node bat file ) and this is the line in the bat file that calls the program to move the fido mail bundles to the holding directory defined in the config file for PCUTIL IF EXIST I:\PLANETC\FIDO\0000FFFF.??? PCUTIL CHECK3 Note: The PCU= enviroment and the path to PCUTIL must be set to call it from another node or you can put the config file and PCUTIL on the node you are calling it from. John...... --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Genesis Project * 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 175 To: GEORGE PEACE Date: 10/13/93 11:01p Subj: DONGLE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > >I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem > If I have this right... > So first I have to buy a printer card for the receiver system. Then I > can't connect a printer even if I *want* to. This is getting ugly Nope. You can either a) not connect a printer to it. b) connect one but it has to be on all the time. > real fast. I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel > port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it > unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser! And Run down to your local Radio Shack or some computer store and hook up one of those mechanical A/B switches. Simply have it switched to an open outlet when you don't want to have your printer on. > to top it off I have to dedicate a machine full-time to the receiver > because it doesn't know about buffered UARTs. That's something I hope they work on soon. Keep in mind that this "dedicated" machine can be a cheap 286 (I'm running an old 386SX) > Will one of the Planet Connect representatives say something > soothing or technical that explains all these troubles away as a simple > misunderstanding? Pretty please. Probably something close to: "When it's ready" <tm> > My dish is in. Finally. Isn't sudden growth grand? <g> You learn to deal with it :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RANDY SHERWYN Number: 176 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/14/93 1:09p Subj: Access Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I read in your mailing that version 1 would expire after 30 days (meaning 10-31-93) and that we would need to return some sort of subscription form. Did I miss this or is it coming? All seems to be working well here...I also would like to see a 12 hour cycle. But then again I run a dedicated dish, I know everyone doesn't. Randy *ASTRO* BBS Ft. Myers, FL --- via Satellite/GEcho+ * Origin: *ASTRO* (14 CD's..Major-MultiLine) 277-0906 (1:371/30) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN REYNOLDS Number: 177 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/14/93 10:14a Subj: Re: dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jeff Olesen scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin: -> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main -> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems. JO> May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new JO> 386sx40 system to use for the satellite and I had to JO> exchange my AT I/O card for another one because the first JO> one didn't like the dongle. I don't recall the error JO> message, but a printer worked in the port so it wasn't JO> defective. Bzzzttt! Wrong answer :-) (Sort of). What is happening is some manufacturers (Taiwan) only connect enough pins of the 25 to make a printer work. Software like Lap-Link, Irwin Parallel Backups, and those that use dongle's need more of the pins in the spec. When we did a company wide backup using the Irwin's we found close to 2% of our parallel ports had to be changed out :-( Later, John --- timEd/B8 * Origin: J.R.'s PALACE * Cedar Hill, TX * (214) 299-5425 (1:124/1111) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 178 To: JIM WATSON Date: 10/14/93 7:53p Subj: FILE AREA TITLES.... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > * Origin: Dogs crawl under fences... Software crawls under Windows! > (1:170/610) Hey Jim, your origin line is too long. Should be 78 characters including the (1:170/610) Just thought I'd let you know before John Souvestre's GMD :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 179 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 10/13/93 12:58p Subj: TICK LIMITATIONS? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >some areas are unknown, yet they are indeed in my tic.cfg. I think I'm >running with v2.10. Is there a later version or another util like tick that That's the latest version. We're using tick 2.10 on 2 of the three N.A. filebone hubs. I'm not aware of a ceiling on number of areas. I believe it 'only' allows 200 connections per area though. The unknown area might be a missing subdir on your hard drive or a slight misspelling somewhere on an AREA line in tic.cfg. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK SALERNO Number: 180 To: GEORGE PEACE Date: 10/13/93 9:58p Subj: Dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No GP I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser! I also use a laser printer, but found a way around leaving it powered up 24 hours a day. I have a laser printer hooked up to a device that allows up to 4 computers to print on the laser printer. I found that if I just leave the power on to the parallel printer sharing device I can turn the printer off without the dongle key noticing it. I picked the printer sharing device up at CompuAdd a while ago. It is model number MP-401b. I'm not sure if all printer sharing devices would work like this, but at least mine does. * 1st 1.10 #310s * I do the work of three men... Moe, Larry, & Curly --- TosScan 1.00 * Origin: MindLess One's BBS, Weirton WV, U.S.A. (1:129/161) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 181 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/14/93 9:54a Subj: RE: DONGLE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > -> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main > -> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems. > > May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40 > system to use for the satellite and I had to exchange my AT I/O > card for another one because the first one didn't like the dongle. I > don't recall the error message, but a printer worked in the port so > it wasn't defective. The Dongle requires that the printer port be working both directions correctly whereis the printer only receives data from the port... I had 2 ports on 2 different machines that worked perfectly on printers but would not work with the hd copy programs that used the bi-directional printer port... You may have the same problem... --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 182 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 10/14/93 7:20p Subj: SATELLITE SHOT... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > in on the side that recommends the second main cycle. The fact that > the current upload comes in 2.5 to 3.0 hours.....the other 21 hours > of the day are "wasted" imho. Splitting the day into two 12 cycles > would be much appreciated by many sysops around this neck of the > woods who would then receive fresh mail. Murray, I use the pcutil program to move over 3 mail bundles and toss them.. I move 3 every 3 hours.. Thus the net gets mail every 3 hours.. They seem to like it like this... --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF JOHNSON Number: 183 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 10/15/93 11:31a Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Just set the bat file on the receiver node to just loop on the exit > and then on another node ( I use my main mail node bat file ) and > this is the line in the bat file that calls the program to move the > fido mail bundles to the holding directory defined in the config > file for PCUTIL > > IF EXIST I:\PLANETC\FIDO\0000FFFF.??? PCUTIL CHECK3 John, I go one step futher, I have 700=off in my .ini file.. so it never exits from the batch file. and have another machine do a next3 every 3 hours.. --- TMail v1.30.5 * Origin: Central Arkansas Earth Station Thornburg, Arkansas (1:3821/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 184 To: JEFF JOHNSON Date: 10/15/93 2:44a Subj: DONGLE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Jeff! 11 Oct 93, Jeff Johnson writes to Rick Ashworth: JJ> Rick, I do not have a printer plugged into mine and it works just fine.. Thanks for the correction. I was only half listening when I got the story. You are correct.. Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 185 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 10/15/93 4:18p Subj: MORE WITH PCUTIL Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Chris Wiesner wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: CW> PLANETC DIR 0 10-13-93 8:16p CW> PCU BSY 0 10-13-93 8:09p I know that if you don't delete that pcu.bsy, it will come back and say that it is already running! Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 186 To: JOHN MORANO Date: 10/15/93 6:21p Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No John, here's your email message. I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks for the effort 'donated' to the hobby. You made reference to multi-tasking in your docs. Have you (or anyone else) tried OS/2 for the Planect Connect software? --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM WATSON Number: 187 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/15/93 11:03a Subj: FILE AREA TITLES.... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > * Origin: Dogs crawl under fences... Software crawls under Windows! > (1:170/610) TL> Hey Jim, your origin line is too long. Should be 78 TL> characters including the (1:170/610) Just thought TL> I'd let you know before John Souvestre's GMD :) TL> See ya Todd Actually his GMD said 79, and got here days before you message did -:) --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: <CyBorg ConTrol> (1:170/610) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK SCHEEL Number: 188 To: ALL Date: 10/16/93 10:36a Subj: Fast Lynx Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I am in need of a program like lapink that will be able to transfer files from a remote DOS machine to my OS2 machine. It needs to be able to run from the command line as cannot multitask the DOS pc. I am currently using Fast Lynx (old version) and it is causing problems with the Dos windows slowing on the Os2 pc. Is anyone using something that they might suggest I try? Later, <_Frank_> --- timEd/2-B9 * Origin: Frank's Station (Live via Satellite & OS2) (1:19/148) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 189 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/13/93 12:36p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Thursday October 07 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Ken Kavanagh: Hello Boyd! >> well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail >> bundles to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal BG> It is workable but how come nobody takes into account that WE have to BG> modem all this stuff up to the uplink. With the current software at the BG> uplink we could not do that as we have to shut the process down, add our BG> files to send, then start the process up. Once we have our uplink software BG> changed to add and transmit files onthe fly then we could do this. because I didnt know that? ..I'm just tossing suggestions in for future development. :) Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 190 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 10/13/93 12:38p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Thursday October 07 1993, Rick Ashworth writes to Ken Kavanagh: Hello Rick! RA> Maybe. In our net, the availability of the entire fb/bb at a cheap flat RA> rate has raised the amount of mail each node requests. This has filled up RA> the 24 hour period that our net hub can deliver mail. Because of the RA> increased busy signals, 2 other nodes in our net have plans to put in RA> their own. our net has a 45 minute connect rule. you can get as much as you want but only 45 mins worth. Hubs are volunteers and I dont think volunteers should be completely screwed by having to feed the masses non stop. Get more hubs, or whatever, but to give free reign doesnt seem "fair" to the hub. (IMHO) :)) RA> That, along with the extra "receiving node only services" that are RA> becoming available.. RA> I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those with larger RA> systems will tend to start picking up their own dish due to the RA> affordability.. that is a fact..and a good one as it will then take the load of of the hobby volunteers. Pretty much only the commertial pay boards want the WHOLE backbone anyways..them or very large nets with so many bbs's that contirubute that bringing the whole thing in is default. Net 153 is like that currently which is why the sat link seems like such a good plan for us. Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 191 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/13/93 12:42p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Friday October 08 1993, Patty Pickett writes to Rob Nelson: Hello Patty! PP> I was thinking of running it on a semi-dedicated OS/2 PP> machine with 16550 UARTS, Rob. Semi-dedicated in that it would also be PP> doing periodic backups of the network drives. I've got it running on a dedicated dos machine and currently there is no support for the 16550 uarts I have. I've forced them on and the program doesnt take advantage of it. As Boyd was say8ing, they may either go towards pcccmain supporting the 16550, or go to fossil support. either way..that would allow proper multitasking under the receiving software. I've got lantastic linking the sat machine with my os2 machine. Once 16550 support is in, I'll be able to run the sat machine in server mode. Cheers, Ken --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 192 To: KEN THIERFELDER Date: 10/14/93 2:27a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * Crossposted in Z1_ELECTION * Crossposted in PLANET_CONNECT Monday October 11 1993, Ken Thierfelder writes to Ervin Jay: >> You don't think there is a method whereby Planet Connect can deny any >> particular file or mail bunldle to any particular Sat Downlink KT> Actually, I doubt that they would bother with that. They will > [...] KT> Of course this does not negate their abilitiy to censor mail that is KT> coming BACK from the end nodes, but they can't censor it on it's way Which leads to the next logical question.... How will Moderator requested link cuts be handled if the node is being fed via a Planet Connect Site that is a private distribution system which is wholly seperate from the *EC distribution system. What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any particular node be cut? What happens if/when Planet Connect requests a Satelite donwlink to cut the feed for a particular Node, and the PC downlink site refuses, what then, has Planet Connect any means of enforcing any link cuts. Cheers, Ervin ... Magpie: A bird whose thievish disposition suggested to someone that it might be taught to talk. --- GoldED/XTD 2.42.A0701+ (767CD1) * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 193 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 10/17/93 11:49a Subj: Problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TL> I would also definitely invest in a 16550. I also load a > ^^^^^ > Really? For the serial port on the PC where the dish data comes > in? I thought the Planet Connect software was 16550 dumb. Boyd? It is, but using the knowledge of the line drivers, the regular 1488's and 1489's are going to be (in most cases) taxed by a 19200 data rate and will choke with CRC errors. The 1488 and 1489 line drivers made for use with the 16550 are much better at the higher data stream rates and will give you less problems. If you disagree tell me why :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 194 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 10/18/93 10:54a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ervin Jay wrote in a message to Ken Thierfelder: EJ> What happens if/when Planet Connect requests a Satelite EJ> donwlink to cut the feed for a particular Node, and the PC EJ> downlink site refuses, what then, has Planet Connect any EJ> means of enforcing any link cuts. They can easily drop your return mail in the bit bucket. Before Planet Connect and (still now) if your link is cut from a conference you can call another bbs that carries it and read the mail. The only way to prevent participation in any conference is to kill return mail. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2552 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 195 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/18/93 5:49a Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file the other two, SAT* WEATH* .ARC files are also .ZIP files... Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension??? I'm just renaming them at the moment... Thanks, Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 196 To: JEFF JOHNSON Date: 10/18/93 3:53p Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No JJ> John, I go one step futher, I have 700=off in my .ini file.. JJ> so it never exits from the batch file. and have another JJ> machine do a next3 every 3 hours.. More then one way to skin the cat I guess, With the right tools I have found that a sysop can do anything ( well almost ) <grin> Have Fun John.... --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Genesis Project * 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 197 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 10/18/93 3:54p Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TM> I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks Thanks for the message Tracy, Hope to have the next version out soon.... John....... --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Genesis Project * 391 Hub * 501-267-9600 (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 198 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/18/93 8:10p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > way..that would allow proper multitasking under the receiving software. > I've got lantastic linking the sat machine with my os2 machine. Once > 16550 support is in, I'll be able to run the sat machine in server mode. Really? I never could get it to work on my server. Locked tight as a drum as soon as the screen popped up. I havent' tried with the latest version of Planet Connect software. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HARRY MCDOW Number: 199 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/19/93 8:24a Subj: Problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd! Sunday October 17 1993 11:49, Todd Lyons wrote to Clay Tinsley: TL> It is, but using the knowledge of the line drivers, the regular 1488's and TL> 1489's are going to be (in most cases) taxed by a 19200 data rate and will TL> choke with CRC errors. The 1488 and 1489 line drivers made for use with TL> the 16550 are much better at the higher data stream rates and will give TL> you less problems. 1488's and 1489's are just level converters with nano-second slew rates. Data upwards of 115Kbps will be just fine. - Harry --- GoldED 2.41+/1054US1 * Origin: TCR'S Revenge - Seagoville, Texas - (214) 287-5135 (1:124/4218) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 200 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/19/93 6:49p Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are there any chances the echo list will get updated? TVRO and WHITEHOUSE are listed twice and there are several conferences coming in (PROBOARD is one of them) that are not in the list. Also... is there any possibility to add a feature in PTCCMAIN that will shell out on an error level other than 100 at shorter intervals? At the end of the transmission of mail if it would exit and allow the option to run a batch file we could run the show on a ram disk and then dump it to a hard disk before the disk space was used up. At current memory prices it is very expensive to set up a ram disk big enough for the entire 2 hr sessions as currently sent. "Give us the option to clean our ram disk about every 30 minutes ... the little men cried." <g> --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2552 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 201 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/19/93 4:20p Subj: weather maps Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ? Best Regards, Hans --- PcBoard 15.0U * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 L's, 10 G's. Inet:logical.cuc.ab.ca (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEVIN SILCOX Number: 202 To: ALL Date: 10/19/93 5:20p Subj: Link Check Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been connected for a few days I thought I'd see if I could get things activated by sending a message out. Silcox out. --=={ Kevin Silcox ------ --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: StormFront [Orangevale,CA] 916-988-0407 V32b/V42b (1:203/407) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHIL MILLER Number: 203 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/19/93 12:34p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Mon 18-Oct-1993 20:10 thus spake Todd Lyons unto Ken Kavanagh: TL> Really? I never could get it to work on my server. Locked tight as a TL> drum as soon as the screen popped up. I havent' tried with the latest TL> version of Planet Connect software. I currently have 2 computers on a lan, with both in server mode, and PC software runs fine on either one.. * Clinton Cruise Lines - "We take America for a Ride!" --- GoldED 2.41/D'Bridge 1.54/FastEcho 1.25/TAG 2.6F1 Beta * Origin: NET 2201 Echo Operations (Fidonet: 1:2201/200) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 204 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/19/93 1:14p Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave-- DJ> Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file DJ> the other two, SAT* WEATH* .ARC files are also .ZIP files... DJ> Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension??? DJ> I'm just renaming them at the moment... Boyd already said a few weeks ago that when SkyLink was begun, this is the way the files were created, and they just never got around (or felt the need) to change them. I'ts NOT the extension - I'm sure it stands for "archive", don't you think? We are all used to .zip, .arc, .arj, etc, and when we see an extension like that, that's what we think it's format is. They decompress just fine for me with PKUNZIP *.ARC. Why are you renaming them? I'm curious about that one..... Ken --- GEcho/386 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 205 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/20/93 2:29a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > of it. As Boyd was say8ing, they may either go towards > pcccmain supporting the 16550, or go to fossil support. > either way..that would allow proper multitasking under the Hope either way will be soon, Ken, as it will bring some much needed relief for some of us. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 206 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 10/20/93 2:31a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > How will Moderator requested link cuts be handled if the > node is being fed via a Planet Connect Site that is a > private distribution system which is wholly seperate from > the *EC distribution system. Either the system feeding the node who's link is requested cut, or PC simply tells Squish not to process messages in that echo area for that PC site's node address, Ervin, or so it was explained to me by Boyd during the convention. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 207 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/20/93 8:06a Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file > the other two, SAT* WEATH* .ARC files are also .ZIP files... > Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension??? He mentioned something once about the system he was running on not wanting to overwrite an existing .ZIP file with the new .ZIP file but it worked fine with .ARC. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll see Boyd posting the correct info and/or correcting me :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRANK GAUDE Number: 208 To: ALL Date: 10/20/93 8:01p Subj: Backbone entry Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi, all, and anyone! Question: How does the FidoNet backbone messages get placed on the satellite? Obliged for your reply, Frank --- InterPCB 1.31 * Origin: HighSierra Online - Lake Tahoe, CA (916) 577-4438 (1:203/8888) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE SKINNER Number: 209 To: ANYONE Date: 10/18/93 9:15p Subj: info please Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I've been reading this echo for three weeks now and I've yet to see any information about how to get linked in to this new way to spend money. Most of my questions could be answered by a FAQ if I knew where to look. Are the folks who claim that this software is not 16550 aware confused? It seems to me that anyone who could put the rest of the code together to make this idea play could install 16550 code in a few minutes. (If they really dont, they should give me a call. I write that type of thing all day long, every day of the week. And I've been doing it for 26 years.) What is all this foolishness about a dongle. I thought the world had left them with 8bit atari's and c64's. How long is it going to take a bright college kid with a logic analyser to figure out how to bypass it? Is there a file somewhere that I could freq that would explain to me the global parameters of how all this is really supposed to work. I get the idea that: 1) it is on more than one band (or satelite) 2) The data is xmitted several times per day 3) The link runs at 9600bps 4) The software is not network aware 5) It currently requires a dedicated machine What happens if I have a lightning storm all night. (I usually unplug all the electronic stuff during one of them.) Am I going to be able to pick up what I missed? Where do inbound messages go. Who gets how much money if I link into this. How often do they get it. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: /\Oregon Desert/\(503)475-3056(v32b)/\ (1:105/711) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 210 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 10/21/93 1:12p Subj: Re: .ARC vs .ZIP Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension??? We found that if it just happened to be sending lets say RADAR.ZIP at the same time it was getting a new one coming over the network it would lock the transmitting system up solid. The transmitting program renames them with the extension .ARC before transmiting and if a new one comes over the network it would be a different name and no more lock ups. ...boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 211 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/21/93 1:17p Subj: Re: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and > leave > the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band will > have > dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the C-bander's > probably > already had the dish for watching the football/hockey games 24-hours a > day. Well seeing how we would then have to pump the mail and files to 1) Knoxville and 2) Chicago this would mean more computers at Chicago, a dedicated line to Chicago, thus meaning more cost on our end that we would have to pass onto you. So if you have KU you will be paying more than what the guys on the C-band would be paying a month. We will not be doing this what so ever. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 212 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/21/93 1:20p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Are there any chances the echo list will get updated? TVRO and > WHITEHOUSE are listed twice and there are several conferences > coming in (PROBOARD is one of them) that are not in the list. Use the latest fidonet.na file. > Also... is there any possibility to add a feature in PTCCMAIN > that will shell out on an error level other than 100 at shorter > intervals? At the end of the transmission of mail if it would Not likely at this time. Matter of fact you have 99 errorlevels avaible to you aready. We just dont see the need for any others at the time. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 213 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 10/21/93 1:23p Subj: Re: Things in General... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Howdy -- Finally got everything running 89% smoothly? You'll have it to 100% one of these days. > Did you guys receive the FOSSIL.ZIP .c code I sent ya???? Yes we did and thanks. > I have put together some WIN Code, and Lan/DesqView code for you > guys, and will be sending it to ya in the next couple of days - had a > small problem with my tosser (died Monday)... Thanks, need all the help we can get. > Is my mail getting back up stream to ya'll?? No problems here yet. > Just for your information I am now 1:18/201 ... but the local > net has agreed to keep me listed as 1:362/201 for mail flow. Ok just let me know if you start calling with a different address. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 214 To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Date: 10/21/93 1:24p Subj: Re: weather maps Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello Boyd, Hello Hans, > To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add > Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ? At the present time they only do continental U.S. We have not found a Canadian systems that does the same thing as they do. Still looking though. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 215 To: KEVIN SILCOX Date: 10/21/93 1:25p Subj: Re: Link Check Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been connected > sending a message out. Silcox out. Working here no problem... ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 216 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/21/93 5:29p Subj: Planet_Connect Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd-- Everyone is starting to raise a ruckus in some of the other echos about so many questions about Planet Connect. When is PLANET_CONNECT going to go on the backbone? Seems to me it meets the requirements, since every node connected to PC gets it. And I KNOW there has to be more than 3 regions with nodes using the service! --- GEcho/386 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM OXFORD Number: 217 To: ALL Date: 10/21/93 10:36p Subj: Here at last! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Well I finally made it, thought everything would never come together but it did. I would like to thank Boyd for getting me stright and tuned in properly. This is really a test to see if it toss's out properly. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Torii Station TBBS 150,000 Files @14 Gig (1:147/20) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 218 To: KEVIN SILCOX Date: 10/21/93 12:02p Subj: Link Check Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Kevin Silcox wrote in a message to All: KS> Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've KS> been connected for a few days I thought I'd see if I could KS> get things activated by sending a message out. Silcox out. You are at least half-activated. Your messages are going out. If you read this one they are also coming in. If you don't read this message there is no use in giving you advice as you wouldn't get it anyhow. <grin> --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2552 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK HOPKINS Number: 219 To: CLAY TINSLEY Date: 09/18/93 4:52p Subj: hello Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hi there! Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo. Net 133 in Atlanta says hello also! --- * Origin: The Atlanta Information System (1:133/613) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK HOPKINS Number: 220 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 09/20/93 7:01p Subj: Re: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a > lot of you out there that still use your dish for > viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at > what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now > remember that we have to send everything to the uplink > via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss > anything there will be less chance of picking it up > again since the retransmitting time would be cut in > half. What does everyone say? > 7am -7pm sounds fine to me, but what happens when that time frame gets overloaded with these other networks coming online soon? (ROSENET, RIME, CRS, MBBS, USENET) Will there be enough time to receive everything? Just curious as I have a dedicated system, so it doesn't make much difference either way to me. I am receiving everything just fine so far...... --- InterMail 2.23 * Origin: The Atlanta Information System - Node III (1:133/613) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 221 To: NO ONE Date: 10/23/93 6:20p Subj: test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Why is this thing putting two origin lines on every message ? --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 222 To: NO ONE Date: 10/23/93 6:24p Subj: still sending 2 origin lines Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No still putting two origin lines on every message? --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 223 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/24/93 3:04p Subj: test Refer: 221 Read: NO Private: No -> Why is this thing putting two origin lines on every message ? -> * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) I thought you were just showing off now that you've got that dish set up and all <g>... tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 224 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/24/93 2:42p Subj: weather maps Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > HH> To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add > HH> Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ? > HEAR HEAR!! I wanna see Vancouvers shitty weather coming!! :)) Yes ......good point Ken....that Vancouver weather oozed over to Vancouver Island yesterday and got all over my 48inch KU dish/system which ran for 15 hours to finally get a complete Saturday dump...! :-) Needless to say, we Islanders are not accustomed to so much rain. Many folks were out building large wooden boats. What a mess...! Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: Family Research BBS, Nanaimo, BC, CANADA 604-758-8157 (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 225 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 10/25/93 10:18p Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Only frustrating problem yet to be resolved is the dupes issue. Every > few hours it downloads the same files, which my level 100 batch file > keeps processing. I have to figure out how to prevent the duplicate > files from being re-processed every time. (DBRidge prevents dupes, but > its a lot of unnecessary work) Any suggestions appreciated. I know > there has to be a solution... That's what the PCUTIL CHECK4 line was for in the PCSKY.BAT file. PCUTIL kills any dupe files that it receives. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 226 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 10/25/93 10:20p Subj: Finally connected Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I do have a question though... (if this gets through). I recieved > aprox. 100 routed echomail messages in todays batch of mail. It looks as > if they were to be routed to 396/1. I have deleted the "bounced" > messages (bounced by Msgtrack) so my system doesn't send them back. Has > anyone else seen this problem or did I have a quirk? OOOOH yeah. Those files were supposed to go to John's system and not us. Boyd, if those files never made it to John Souvestre's system, I still have the unpacked packets sitting in my inbound (my mail processor unpacked them and renamed them *.SEC) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 227 To: RANDY SHERWYN Date: 10/25/93 10:23p Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > Face it, most users are just plain stupid (lot of sysops > > too :) > > Hey Todd, Not All of us Sisops are stoopid... :>) :>) Watch it. I resemble that remark! <g> > PS. Couldn't resist.... still dating your sister? :>) I *HOPE* you realize that was a joke <grin> Take it easy.... Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 228 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/25/93 10:31p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > informing us of changes? Just today alone,, about 15 bad tic's. Each > one> has to be renamed, the areas created and the files moved back into > my > > inbound directory. To me, this situation is not a good sign of > > professionalism on your part. I didn't catch who this was FROM, but there is a fix for this. If you run RAID, then you will be able to do: cd\im\raid raid autocreate >>raid.log ;adds new entries into TIC.CFG raid announce >>raid.log ;announces new files received raid -rdk >>raid.log ;actual reply mode (netmail Kill/Direct) cd\tick TICK >>tick.log ;need I explain it? :) The autocreate function in raid is defineable as far as WHICH nodes you will create areas for. Simply define 1:3615/50 as one of the nodes that you will create areas for. > Well I have every filearea active in my config. John is going to > make a list of ones that are not active and I will send it over the > satellite. I am also going to take a look at ALLFIX and see if it has > anything better to offer that TICK does. I *JUST* switched the other day and found that there was MUCH that was different. I found that Tick does not properly handle multizone files and that was the *SOLE* reason that I switched. I dearly loved the Raid/Tick combo and even know that George Peace has just re-started development on the Raid beta versions, but had to switch because of Tic's (or my own) inadequacies. Allfix will also import your TIC.CFG, but you must edit out the spaces in front of the node numbers that Raid puts there to neaten it up. Working good here so far. Also, if you're going to announce file areas, make sure to enable it in ALL file areas <G>...fought that puppy for three days before I figured it out. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 229 To: PHIL MILLER Date: 10/25/93 10:33p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > PM> I currently have 2 computers on a lan, with both in server mode, and > PM> software runs fine on either one.. > > really? if i put the pc machine in server mode and try to access its > drives from the other server, i get errors in the transmission. Thats Phil, are you running with or without Lancache? Some other cache? No cache? See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 230 To: JEFF OLESEN Date: 10/16/93 1:15a Subj: dongle Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >-> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main >-> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems. > May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40 system > to use for the satellite and I had to exchange my AT I/O card for > another one because the first one didn't like the dongle. I don't > recall the error message, but a printer worked in the port so it wasn't > defective. > Jeff O. > Viking's Cove. Mine seems flaky too. Seems 1 out of 5 times it works? I have no printer connected and it tells me to turn on my printer? Dumb. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 231 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 10/18/93 8:26p Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > John, here's your email message. > I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks for the effort > 'donated' to the hobby. > You made reference to multi-tasking in your docs. Have you (or > anyone else) tried OS/2 for the Planect Connect software? Yes, And I couldn't get it to work. But Am am going to try again in the next few days. I also cannot get the INFO CYPHER to work either under OS/2. Possible with the os2 2.1 vrs 2.1 beta it will work. I have gotten it to work KINDA with Desqview. I still get errors once in a while. If you have no activity in the other windows under Desqview it does seem to work. Simply doing a DIR make an error in Desqview. This MIGHT be because of the SCSI hardware? I have a 16bit SCSI card with a 386 40mhz with meg 4 and a 2 meg drive cache. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 232 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 10/19/93 8:40p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any > particular node be cut? > What happens if/when Planet Connect requests a Satelite donwlink to cut > the feed for a particular Node, and the PC downlink site refuses, what > then, has Planet Connect any means of enforcing any link cuts. > Cheers, Ervin This is easy... I'v already had a chat about this. Boyd will refuse all return messages from the site causing the trouble! The feed will still be there but the ablility to return ANY MAIL is lost. So I don't think there will be a problem! If so the site will lose! Also The Moderator will probably have to be A Little more patient then they have been in the past. Also Planet Systems will have to be a little bit reasonable also. Sometimes Moderators are a problem! and protest for their actions need to be settled possible by higher up in FIDO. Might be something new here. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 233 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/23/93 11:34a Subj: Printer Port. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No My systm is screwing up with this printer port thing. I have it on with no printer and it keeps telling me to turn on my printer? The errors continue until I press a key on the keyboard???????? I can press the Control Key and it will start working. Sounds stupid, but that what is happening. Got any ideas? If I can't get this to work consistant, I may need a replacement printer thingy. Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 234 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/26/93 10:34p Subj: FAQ Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd-- Caught this message in the TVRO echo. Any chance of you guys doing this? Sure would help a lot of folks!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday October 22 1993 10:46, John Hrusovszky wrote to Tim Hutzler: JH> Sure have, I think. I've been following this area pretty close, and I JH> am sure they have all already been mentioned. You might want to look JH> back through the past messages to find them, Tim. JH> Of course, maybe PC could come through with a FAQ sheet to post here. I agree. Some sort of Frequently Asked Questions list needs to be made concerning Planet Connect. The network is devoting a lot of bandwidth to answering basicly the same questions over and over. --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: (KA5CFW) (FidoNet 1:124/4115.225) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 235 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/26/93 6:03p Subj: large mail bundles... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd: I would like to thank you for recent interventions in the out going stuff, by reducing the size of a couple of the mail bundles. Last Saturday the rains really came down and if you had not split that 2.3 meg mail bundle, my 48" KU system would never have copied that mail. As a matter of interest, does your system retoss the mail or do a straight transfer from the Star...? Regards......Murray --- SuperBBS and PTQWK....! * Origin: (null) (1:351/401) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 236 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/25/93 4:59a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > All you need to do now is get a comm card with a > 16550 uart buffer. I got one the other day and then I set Got one, Terry, but thought that the PC software wasn't 16550 aware. I'm so confused! > push it to the limits so I started going to the windows > that was doing the dir's and started them unzipping all the > docs from all the files to the screen: pkunzip * *.doc /c > ....and after 2 windows were doing this and the other 3 were > reading the 650 meg directories I finally bogged it down > enough to start getting errors. Ahhh, sounds wonderful to me, Terry, and thanks much for the information. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 237 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/25/93 5:00a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Humm... but they aren't using Squish... Boyd told me when > I was confused about configuring for the AKA. Perhaps not, but undoubtedly whatever tosser/scanner they're using has the capability to do what Boyd was telling me. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 238 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/25/93 5:07a Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Many people in (various conferences) who are connected > with PC are trying to figure out how to reply to the .QWK > packets. Do you know if there is any utilities that can > convert them into <=> from fidonet format so they can > be tossed? Where can we call to reply to the messages > in these packets? I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone based addressing). There are utilities to allow for these types of things however, for instance: CNTMX100.ZIP - QWK/REP importer/exporter for Maximus. FIDOQ111.ZIP - Convert *.MSG to *.QWK for use in PCRelay nethub type mail transfers. MMIMP1.ZIP - Conver QWK to REP for maildoors. If you or anyone else is interested, the files mentioned above are available for Freq via 1:380/5 (H16,V32B,V42B) at any time except NMH. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 239 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 10/26/93 7:32p Subj: Planet connect and dbridg Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I noticed our messages came back through the bird from yesterday... Is > that normal? Well if you want the rest of us to get it, then yes it is normal <GRIN> > Was able to use the crc program to move only the newest files. We > import it all to a local C: drive, then it gets moved with each > errorlevel 100 exit to the Novell lan drive. must be nice to be able to afford Novell. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 240 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/27/93 4:51p Subj: moderating Refer: NONE Read: NO Private: No Hey Boyd, It was good talking to you today and I look forward to moderating this echo. I'll update the ELIST tonight & get that squared away. I'll also look into getting this echo placed on the backbone... As far as "rules" go, I'll post um in a few days. tim PLANET_CONNECT moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 241 To: JEFF WALLACH Date: 10/25/93 9:57p Subj: Planet connect and dbridg Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Any nodes out there currently running Dbridge mailer and PCBoard... would be -> very interested in discussing your specific configurations for Planet -> Connect environment. That's the exact configured we just put up over the weekend here. What we need is a tosser compatible with 15.0! IP isn't cutting it... Seems to be working alright, but I had to take the /51 out as an alias. I hope this won't cause a problem? Only the replies are being exported, so it looks hopeful <G> I noticed our messages came back through the bird from yesterday... Is that normal? Was able to use the crc program to move only the newest files. We import it all to a local C: drive, then it gets moved with each errorlevel 100 exit to the Novell lan drive. --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 242 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 10/25/93 9:36a Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >of changes? Just today alone,, about 15 bad tic's. Each one has to be >renamed, the areas created and the files moved back into my inbound >directory. To me, this situation is not a good sign of professionalism on >your part. New areas are created automagically on most filebone systems. Raid started the trend with the AutoCreate command line and NewAreaCreate config file stuff. It's all painless and done while you sleep. Lacking raid's autocreate, there's a file called FILEBONE.NA passed through the BACKBONE file area. It lets you know what new file areas are coming through the pipe. It might take a little manual intervention if you're not running raid or equivalent but it's sure to take some of the edge off. FIDOSTAT.NA is the echomail backbone's notification file. Both files should be checked regularly for the latest developments. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 243 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/26/93 9:00p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Thanks for the tips. I was able to get the supplied crc program to work, which does a terrific job. As of right now, we have 100% of the signal approved and operational! mike --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 244 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/27/93 3:55p Subj: Planet connect and dbridg Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> must be nice to be able to afford Novell. It took 10 years of saving up! <G> We used to use Lantastic for a few years, and Network OS before that. This satellite delivery system sure is FAST! I'm getting responses only a day later.... Mike --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 245 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/27/93 3:54p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or -> PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone based -> addressing). There are utilities to allow for these types of things -> however, for instance: No No No <G> QWK is the Quickmail standard developed for PCBoard by Mark "Sparky" Herring many years ago using QuickBasic file structures. It's a very basic and inneficient networking method using packets designed for "offline readers". It has since been adapted to most platforms, for offline reader support. The QWK standards are supposed to be updated on 11/1 to include several of the advantages found in Postlink and Fidonet. PCBoard networking programs such as QNet(the original), RNet, Rosemail, CAMMail, CNet, and TNet are among those that support this standard. ROSEMAIL software is a slight improvement to QWK, and also downward compat. This is an excellent product from Canada, which gives PCBoard sysops a package which handles EVERYTHING with one configuration program. (offline reader support AND qwk networking) Postlink (formerly called PCRelay) is a much more advanced networking technology developed by Kip Compton. PL does things like encrypted mail, routed mail, return receipts, file sends/requests, network broadcasts, dynamic hub not requiring a front end, pre-extraction, bi-directional xfers, satellite(one way) compatability, carbon copy sends, and Internet/Usenet ready for future use. Like Fido, it can support a variety of protocols and compression methods. Conference configuration is automatic, and upstream selections are turned on an off by the software as needed. The software supports something innovative called a UTI (universal text interface). A UTI allows *ANY* IBM BBS software to use the product, providing they have a small program to do the actual conversions between their software and text format. Because UTI's have memory overhead of their own, some folks have memory troubles with Postlink and their UTI combined. The author is at MIT right now, and support could be better. The technology is protected by copyright, so this software is required. Fido/echomail is an old and somewhat sloppy method, but it gets the job done. Mail takes much longer with Fido than any of the above, and requires a "front end" - but the advantage is compatability with more platforms and computer types. Unlike Postlink, the Fidonet standards are not kept a copywritten secret. Security is also somewhat of a problem with Fido, unless things are configured properly. Some programs include Binkley, Dbridge, Front Door, Intermail, Opus, etc. It's somewhat complicated to set up, and in most cases it request a kludge (a "tosser"). UUCP (UUCICO.EXE in our case) is a protocol primarily used for the Usenet community. We use this for Usenet and Internet Mail w/Holonet. Sloppy, inefficient and unreliable. Low CPS rates. Definately needs to be improved! These are my opinions and observations of the above. These are ONLY my opinions, and I don't mean to endorse a specific product. Have been using all for several years. We're hubbing about 15 networks (hosting New England Net) and use all five of these technologies. Postlink is my favorite for ease of use and least maintenance, with Fido and QWK tied for second. (QWK because theres no work, systems call in as offline mail users - Fido because of the immediate "NETMAIL" feature between operators). Mike Labbe ENC --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 246 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 10/27/93 9:51a Subj: TEST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tim Jacobs wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley: TJ> I have gotten it to work KINDA with Desqview. I still get TJ> errors once in a while. If you have no activity in the TJ> other windows under Desqview it does seem to work. Simply TJ> doing a DIR make an error in Desqview. This MIGHT be TJ> because of the SCSI hardware? I have a 16bit SCSI card with TJ> a 386 40mhz with meg 4 and a 2 meg drive cache. I have had great success running PC under DV. You may want to set your tics to 1 and 1 and make a large enough ram disk to put command.com on it. If you boot from a floppy and the go about your business you will be surprised at how often your system will stop to read command.com from your floppy. Since your floppy disk is much slower than your hd it will be most noticeable. Even though it is fast when reading your hd it will be many times faster if it is on your ram disk. I have not tested it... but pc may be reading command.com after every file is transferred. It has to save the incoming data that is collected in !!!ST!!!.!!! to the correct file name and delete the !!!ST!!!.!!! file. Put your ram disk first in your path statement and set your comspec since you can't boot from your ram disk. path = f:\;bla bla bla copy command.com f:\ set comspec=f:\command.com --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 247 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/27/93 10:03a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > All you need to do now is get a comm card with a > 16550 uart buffer. I got one the other day and then I set PP> Got one, Terry, but thought that the PC software wasn't PP> 16550 aware. I'm so confused! I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer. If you set up a buffer for a printer your system can use it to store data and then feed it your printer as your printer can take it. This will free up your system. The 16550 works much the same way. The satellite demodulator sends the data to the 16550 buffer and your system works like a printer and takes it when it is ready. This means that if your system is busy with something else the incoming data won't get backed up and lost when there is no place for it to go. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Number: 248 To: JOE OVERHOLT Date: 10/27/93 12:39p Subj: press enter to continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Joe: You have a great product, and I knwo you need to make sure that you receive payment for your service. But....... It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter to continue" prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure that they will enter the right codes in your software. I place your PTCCMAIIN file in a batch file that runs when I am not around to watch it. Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, just so you would make sure that I would call. My whole net missed mail because of this ridiculous ploy for my money. There are other less obstructive ways to ensure compliance such as placing a sentence on your opening PLANET CONNECT screen that would be impossible to miss. People DON'T LIKE to miss their mail. That's the whole reason why we have come to use your service. Yor service IS the way of the future, and i envision most if not all of the major HUBS going to PLANET CONNECT or services like them. Notice that I said SERVICES LIKE THEM. People like courteous vendors of service, and they WILL go to your competitors if they know they will be treated more like responsibe adults. They don't like to be served crippled software. I have every intention of paying for your service, Joe. There is no need to make me attend to my computer every day for 10 days until you poeple get around to answering the phone long enough for you to tell me how to uncripple the software. I would hope that future versions will incorporate a less intrusive prompt for payment. Rudolf Rothemund 1:2440/0 NC/NEC MID-OHIO NET --- WM v3.01/92-0432 * Origin: The USS Columbia (216) 345-5807 (1:2440/10.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 249 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 10/27/93 9:08p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any >> particular node be cut? > This is easy... I'v already had a chat about this. Boyd will > refuse all return messages from the site causing the trouble! It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get into any moderating process. In my opinion, Planet Connect is a carrier of data. If a Moderator wants someone cut from a feed then that moderator should contact the downlink's NC for rectification of the problem. The downlink gets his node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator (if he has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the Fidonet authorities and not a Carrier Company. The analogy here is, of course, if a moderator has a problem with someone using landline does he call The Telephone Company to cut off the feed...? Nope...! > actions need to be settled possible by higher up in FIDO. Might > be something new here. Maybe I am missing something here but I would like to think that Boyd and Company would refuse to get into ANY fidonet policy discussion and adopt a purely business attitude without getting hung up with the BS. Regards....Murray --- SuperBBS and PTQWK....! * Origin: Family Research BBS, Nanaimo BC, Canada 604-756-1521 (1:351/401) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 250 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/27/93 10:35p Subj: I spoke too soon.. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd: I spoke too soon yesterday I guess...! :-) In today's dump there were two huge fidomail bundles. One was 1.6 and the other was 1.7 megs in size. They were the only files I could not download due to them have ing one or two errors as they were being downloaded. The weather was overcast and foggy today and there is no doubt that was the reason for the errors. What is the answer to this problem.....because there is no doubt there will always be some pretty large files and there will always be lots of overcast and rain. I am using a 48" ku system which was professionally installed and on clear or reasonably clear days, I have no errors at all. I have a clear shot at the bird with no trees, buildings or wires around. Looking forward to your response. Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 251 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/27/93 11:28p Subj: Finally connected Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! 25 Oct 93, Terry Blount writes to Dennis Powers: TB> Dennis Powers wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: DP>> I do have a question though... (if this gets through). I DP>> recieved aprox. 100 routed echomail messages in todays batch DP>> of mail. It looks as if they were to be routed to 396/1. I DP>> problem or did I have a quirk? TB> Yes. It happened here too. Probably everyone got them. Thanks. It was Day 2 of the new setup and I wanded to be sure that I didn't have a flaky toss <G>. although I move a fair amount of echo traffic for a BBS this was the first time I had this much mail in a single session. It would probably be a good idea if 3615/50 ran MSGTRACK to prevent routed echo mail from being sent out via satellite. Talk about big time dupes and phone bills [smile]. -><-Dennis Dennis --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 252 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/27/93 10:37p Subj: Re: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > send it over the satellite. I am also going to take a look > at ALLFIX and see if it has anything better to offer that > TICK does. I think you'll find it to your liking, Boyd, as it makes it much easier to make global changes, auto-add areas coming in to your system, etc. I've used it here for around 6 months or so and liked it so much that I registered it within a month or so. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 253 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 10/28/93 1:06a Subj: Printer Port. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > My systm is screwing up with this printer port thing. I have it on with > no printer and it keeps telling me to turn on my printer? The errors > continue until I press a key on the keyboard???????? I can press the > Control Key and it will start working. Sounds stupid, but that what is > happening. Got any ideas? If I can't get this to work consistant, I > may need a replacement printer thingy. Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called STACKEY. This is You can make it jam a [CR] into the keyboard buffer after some predetermined amount of time and it will get past the error message. I can shoot it to you if you want (it's not available for download because I don't have the original archive) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 254 To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Date: 10/28/93 7:49p Subj: press enter to continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to Joe Overholt: RR> Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just RR> sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, RR> just so you would make sure that I would call. My whole net RR> missed mail because of this ridiculous ploy for my money. Actually they missed mail because you did not read the message that was sent to you about 2 weeks ago: October 15, 1993 Dear Planet Connect Subscriber; ... This mail out requires five items of information to start your subscription to the Planet Connect satellite data service. 1. Your signature on the Planet Connect agreement form. 2. Determine whether you will refeed to other BBSes. 3. Select the term of the contract. ( 1 month, 3 month, or 1 year) 4. Indicate your method of payment. 5. Indicate your start date for the service. After you've mailed in your signed agreement, wait a fews days for it to be processed by us before calling to receive your new authorization code. We will give you a special number that you type into the computer which runs the Plant Connect software. This number sets the time period your software will operate by recording it in the parallel port plug that we sent you a few weeks ago. When you call, make sure you are at a computer that has the plug installed. If you fax your form in to speed up the process, please mail in your form as well to give us an original. ============ --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 255 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 10/28/93 7:56p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs: >> What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any >> particular node be cut? > This is easy... I'v already had a chat about this. Boyd will > refuse all return messages from the site causing the trouble! MP> It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get MP> into any moderating process. In my opinion, Planet Connect MP> is a carrier of data. They are also your hub. If your feed is going to be cut then 3615/50 is the one who will have to cut it. MP> If a Moderator wants someone cut from MP> a feed then that moderator should contact the downlink's NC MP> for rectification of the problem. The downlink gets his MP> node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator (if he MP> has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the MP> Fidonet authorities and not a Carrier Company. The analogy MP> here is, of course, if a moderator has a problem with MP> someone using landline does he call The Telephone Company to MP> cut off the feed...? MP> Maybe I am missing something here but I would like to think MP> that Boyd and Company would refuse to get into ANY fidonet MP> policy discussion and adopt a purely business attitude MP> without getting hung up with the BS. As long as they are the feed they will have the same responsibility as any other hub. The people in Chicago that Planet Connect transfers the data to for the satellite uplink are actually the ones in the position of the phone company. I know they aren't going to cut a feed because it is already falling on the roof of every house in the northern hemisphere. They could care less who picks it up and what they do with it. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 256 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/28/93 8:05p Subj: Printer Port. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs: TL> Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called TL> STACKEY. This is You can make it jam a [CR] into the TL> keyboard buffer after some predetermined amount of time and TL> it will get past the error message. I'm willing to bet that it won't. When Ptccmain runs it will not allow those keyboard stuffer programs to work. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 257 To: JIM WATSON Date: 10/26/93 7:16p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >CW> Boyd, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm having a hell of a time >CW> keeping up with all the new areas that come through. > > You need to run something like Raid which will autocreate the areas > for you. Has nothing to do with "professionalism" on their part as That's what we do here and it works great. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 258 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/26/93 7:20p Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > really? if i put the pc machine in server mode and try to access its > drives from the other server, i get errors in the transmission. > Thats where i figered proper 16550 support would clean things > up..are you not experiencing this? That's my experience here, too, Ken. One (admittedly poor) workaround is to wait until the status line shows a file coming in that you don't care about, then shell to DOS, run 16550.EXE to enable the FIFO buffer, then EXIT back to tback to PC software. Make SURE that you turn off the FIFO buffer before restarting PTCCMAIN.EXE! Meanwhile, while it's still in that cycle, you have the benefit of the 16550. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 259 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 10/26/93 7:23p Subj: RE: ECHO LIST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Only frustrating problem yet to be resolved is the dupes issue. > Every few hours it downloads the same files, which my level 100 > batch file keeps processing. I have to figure out how to prevent the You didn't get the PCUtil program that tracks duplicate files for you? That was included in my PC package..... --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 260 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/26/93 8:12p Subj: WEATHER STUFF Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, It is my understanding that the weather stuff is for MY use only, that I cannot pass it to my downlinks nor post it on my board. THW my downlinks, but I'd sure like to make it available for download by my callers. :-) Didn't you guys mention at the 'Con that the weather stuff could be licensed for posting on the BBS? Is that the case? If so, how much $$$? (I AM willing to pay a nominal fee if I have to) Thanks!! <<Jim>> --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 261 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/26/93 8:21p Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, We've discussed this on the phone, but I'd like to make it official: The PC software is coming along, but needs some new features: 1. Support for the 16550. Absent that, at least have it not barf if the FIFO buffer is already enabled when it loads, as I can start it up with 16550.EXE myself. 2. Enable the "Status Line" at the bottom of the screen as the default instead of just displaying your Planet Systems logo. Said logo tells me NOTHING about what's going on. Might even be nice to display a whole screen of "recent history" instead of just the LAST file received. 3. When the dongle is close to expiration, display it all over the screen, beep the speaker, or whatever, but don't keep it from running! That irritates the hell outa me to see that message "press Enter to continue" and have it just SIT there. The PC Utility works great, thank you. The service itself is wonderful; my phone company will be calling to find out if I still love them. <<big, wide, grin>> Is there a reason that all the filebone echos aren't distributed by you? I know of one "owner/moderator/whatever" who said that "his" stuff wasn't available via your service, but he's not yet indicated a reason. Would it do any good to lobby those folks from this end? Keep up the good work!!! <<Jim>> --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 262 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/27/93 2:05p Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Mike Labbe: TL> That's what the PCUTIL CHECK4 line was for in the PCSKY.BAT TL> file. TL> PCUTIL kills any dupe files that it receives. On my system when PCUTIL CHECK4 runs it correctly deletes repeat files, copies the remaining files to the holding directory, and then adds the file names that were moved to the CHECK.IDX file. What it does not do is remove filenames from the check.idx file according to the number of days gone by. It also does not exit correctly. I get a file not found error and a message from the runtime package and my system hangs waiting for a keypress without reentering the PCSKY batch file. Anyone have this problem? I'm a bit frustrated and guess I'm going to have to write a utility to take care of the operation as there is a problem with PCUTIL here. Perhaps it is a hard-coded filename somewhere near the end of the processing? Author? Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 263 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/28/93 8:41a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > Humm... but they aren't using Squish... Boyd told me when > > I was confused about configuring for the AKA. > > Perhaps not, but undoubtedly whatever tosser/scanner they're > using has the capability to do what Boyd was telling me. You're talking about the mail processor that Boyd is using? Mine reports mail bundles from Qmail. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 264 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/28/93 8:43a Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or > PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone > based addressing). There are utilities to allow for these types of > things however, for instance: > CNTMX100.ZIP - QWK/REP importer/exporter for Maximus. > FIDOQ111.ZIP - Convert *.MSG to *.QWK for use in PCRelay nethub > type mail transfers. > MMIMP1.ZIP - Conver QWK to REP for maildoors. > If you or anyone else is interested, the files mentioned > above are available for Freq via 1:380/5 (H16,V32B,V42B) at any time > except NMH. Patty, check your inbound. I attached a file to you that does *.msg, squish, ezycom, Hudson, and Jam message bases for any QWK network. Tell me if it's similar to, better, or worse than the ones you've listed above. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 265 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/27/93 4:51p Subj: moderating Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hey Boyd, It was good talking to you today and I look forward to moderating this echo. I'll update the ELIST tonight & get that squared away. I'll also look into getting this echo placed on the backbone... As far as "rules" go, I'll post um in a few days. tim PLANET_CONNECT moderator --- WM v3.00/92-0015 * Origin: The Liability BBS (1:133/515.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICKEY FERGUSON Number: 266 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/27/93 11:50p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * In a message originally to Terry Blount, Patty Pickett said: PP> Got one, Terry, but thought that the PC software wasn't PP>16550 PP>aware. I'm so confused! Patty, we've been having good luck running the PC software under DV on a 386-40 with 16550's on the com ports. What we do is load X00 before running DV (this lets X00 capture IRQ14 and turn the 16550's buffer on), the Planet Connect software seems to be dumb enough that it doesn't know X00 is handling IRQ14. I may be completely wrong as to why it works, but it does work! And incoming/outgoing calls thru the modem, nor tossing mail arriving thru the modem cause errors on PC. Mickey PS...Foxy says HI! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Music City Archives - Genealogy & Ham Radio (1:116/210) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 267 To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Date: 10/28/93 9:42p Subj: press enter to continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > You have a great product, and I knwo you need to make sure that you > receive payment for your service. But....... You answered your own question. If you were trying to make money from a service wouldn't that seem a little ludicrous to allow free access to it? > It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter > to continue" prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure > that they will enter the right codes in your software. I place your I guess you realize that this is VERY VERY easy to overcome. > sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, just so you > would make sure that I would call. My whole net missed mail because of > this ridiculous ploy for my money. You let it sit there for more than 24 hours? That's how long you'd have to let it sit to "miss mail" See ya todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 268 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 10/28/93 9:45p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get into any > moderating process. In my opinion, Planet Connect is a carrier of data. > If a Moderator wants someone cut from a feed then that moderator should > contact the downlink's NC for rectification of the problem. The And if the NC doesn't respond or is not effective... > downlink gets his node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator > (if he has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the Fidonet > authorities and not a Carrier Company. The analogy here is, of course, > if a moderator has a problem with someone using landline does he call > The Telephone Company to cut off the feed...? The Planet Connect can be considered a HUB. You do things in the chain of command. If you get no response from the NC, you go to his feed and get the link cut. No analogy as a Carrier can replace that IMHO. See ya todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WALT LANE Number: 269 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/28/93 10:36p Subj: QWK<-->PKT Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Terry, I noticed you were inquiring about a QWK to PKT conversion utility. I am running RA Pro 2.01 beta and am working with Andrew Milner on the new JAM message base. Using Fastecho, I can have it automatically update my RACONFIG as it tosses the mail into the system. However Fastecho requires PKT message formats only. I have been looking for the same type of utility. Here is what I have found: A utility called P-VERT (believe it or not on the name) comes with the source code in C lang. It seemed to work up to the very last message base but them locked up. I'm checking out the source code now. Please let me know if you have discovered anything which is helpful or may do the job better. Thanks! Walt Lane --- FastEcho 1.30/g * Origin: The File Shop BBS - 40 Gig Online (816) 587-3311 (1:280/316) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 270 To: ALL Date: 10/30/93 8:05a Subj: Planet Connect Q&A Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hey Folks, Mark Hopkins & I are currently working a huge Q&A file which will answer most of the questions we've heard relating to Planet Connect... Once the file is completed, I'll post a notice here and make it freqable and/or send it up with the regular mail. The purpose of this file will be to educate the masses about this Planet Connect thing. PLANET_CONNECT will be included in the November ELIST, so that's now squared away.... I'm still working on getting it backboned. This may be difficult as Planet Connect is seen as a threat by some moderators, stars, and *ECs - but I'll try. There are several echos which are being flooded with discussion about Planet Connect (MODERATOR, TVRO, FN_SYSOP, et. al.)... I'll be posting messages in these echos and, hopefully, diverting that mail over here. As far as conference "rules" go, let me say this right off the bat: I don't like rules or arbitrarily imposed control of *any kind*. If any of yall read the CDROM_SALE echo, you know my philosophy and know that it works - at least most of the time ;). I'll also assume that since the participants of this echo are fluent in normal FidoNet policy/procedures, that there will be little need for the normal heavy handedness that some moderators impose on an echo. ANYHOW, here's the rules: 1. All conversations must relate to Planet Connect and must benefit everyone. 2. All "normal" FidoNet etiquette applies. A. No flaming. B. No "one on one" messages. C. No cussing. D. No "excessively annoying" messages. E. Etc. That's about it.... If anyone ever needs to contact me I can be reached at the numbers below. tim PLANET_CONNECT moderator Voice: (404) 621-9210 FAX : (404) 621-9122 FIDO : 1:133/515 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 271 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/28/93 1:55a Subj: Planet connect and dbridg Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > must be nice to be able to afford Novell. It is. <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 272 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 10/29/93 4:35p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> @MSGID: 1:170/610.0 2cca4dae >>CW> Boyd, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm having a hell of a time >>CW> keeping up with all the new areas that come through. >> >> You need to run something like Raid which will autocreate the areas >> for you. Has nothing to do with "professionalism" on their part as > That's what we do here and it works great. Now if we could just get RAID to autoFORWARD requests for new areas... --==jb==-- --- * Origin: The SANDBOX ** MultiLine TBBS ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34.28) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BARRY CASSETTY Number: 273 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 10/28/93 8:21a Subj: Link Check Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I want it......this is a test message > On Tuesday October 19 1993, Kevin Silcox writes > to All: > Hello Kevin! > KS> Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been > connected > KS> for a few days I thought I'd see if I could get things activated by > KS> sending a message out. Silcox out. > Gotcha loud and clear! > Cheers, Ken > ...And today will go down in history as Thursday > October 21 1993 > --- GoldED 2.41 > * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - > 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) --- GEcho 1.00/beta * Origin: Dandy Line BBS "Have Shack Will YaK" Music City U S A (1:116/4000) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN MORANO Number: 274 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 10/29/93 7:28p Subj: pcutil Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No DW> Perhaps it is a hard-coded filename somewhere near the end DW> of the processing? Author? PCutil 1.06 uses a cheap trick at the end of the process, it calls DOS's SORT in a shell to do a quick and dirty sort of the index file, as a matter of fact it uses 11 dos calls in the program to do a lot of work (keep in mind this was writen in 2 days to get around the problem of dups in the beta tests) so make sure you have the dos directory in the path on the computer you run PCU on and make sure you have SORT available to PCU. I am in the process of rewriting PCU as we speak and it should be available soon..... John..... --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Genesis Project BBS * 501-267-9600 (1:391/1180) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Number: 275 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/30/93 2:23a Subj: press enter to continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to Joe Overholt: -> -> RR> Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just -> RR> sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, -> RR> just so you would make sure that I would call. My whole net -> RR> missed mail because of this ridiculous ploy for my money. -> -> Actually they missed mail because you did not read the message that w -> you about 2 weeks ago: -> -> October 15, 1993 -> -> Dear Planet Connect Subscriber; -> ... -> This mail out requires five items of information to start -> your subscription to the Planet Connect satellite data -> service. -> -> 1. Your signature on the Planet Connect agreement form. -> 2. Determine whether you will refeed to other BBSes. -> 3. Select the term of the contract. ( 1 month, 3 -> month, or 1 year) -> 4. Indicate your method of payment. -> 5. Indicate your start date for the service. -> -> After you've mailed in your signed agreement, wait a fews -> days for it to be processed by us before calling to receive -> your new authorization code. We will give you a special -> number that you type into the computer which runs the Plant -> Connect software. This number sets the time period your -> software will operate by recording it in the parallel port -> plug that we sent you a few weeks ago. When you call, make -> sure you are at a computer that has the plug installed. If -> you fax your form in to speed up the process, please mail -> in your form as well to give us an original. -> -> ============ -> -> --- timEd-A10c -> * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) So........ WHERE does this say that the software is crippled??????? I was under the impression that we had until the end of the month to pay up. I sent my bucks in about 6 days before the end ofthe month and the software started crapping out before then. I can understand having the software crippled so that it doesn't work AFTER the first month and AFTER the period of time that I am paid up for. But having to push the ENTER button to get mail BEFORE that time is up just isn't right. Sure,it'll get me to call in, all rigght. But I won't be in a good mood, in fact I'll be pissed. And yes, Terry, I DO read the Planet Connect mail. I sent the bucks in, and the software crippled my operation while the provervial check was in the mail. And I DON;T have access to a fax, so I couldn't "speed up the process". Rudy --- WM v3.01/92-0432 * Origin: The USS Columbia (216) 345-5807 (1:2440/10.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 276 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 10/29/93 7:04p Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > That's my experience here, too, Ken. One (admittedly poor) workaround is > to wait until the status line shows a file coming in that you don't care > about, then shell to DOS, run 16550.EXE to enable the FIFO buffer, then > EXIT back to tback to PC software. Make SURE that you turn off the FIFO > buffer before restarting PTCCMAIN.EXE! Meanwhile, while it's still in > that cycle, you have the benefit of the 16550. Do you (or any crack programmers in here) think that calling bnu in this manner would help: BNU /l1=19200 BNU /i1=+ The /i does this: /I=n+|- ∙ Initialise(+)/deinitialise(-) FOSSIL on port <n> That would put BNU in "hot" mode. Do you think some of the benefits could be reaped from this configuration? See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 277 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 10/29/93 7:09p Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > 2. Enable the "Status Line" at the bottom of the screen as the default > instead of just displaying your Planet Systems logo. Said logo tells me > NOTHING about what's going on. Might even be nice to display a whole > screen of "recent history" instead of just the LAST file received. Get a program that will stuff the keyboard buffer with two carriage returns and it will work. I use this: STACKEY w200 CR CR and it hits enter twice after about 3-4 seconds putting the status line down there for me. > Is there a reason that all the filebone echos aren't distributed by you? > I know of one "owner/moderator/whatever" who said that "his" stuff > wasn't available via your service, but he's not yet indicated a reason. > Would it do any good to lobby those folks from this end? Aww the PDN people are being real *^#%$^% about the satellite distribution system. They can't see that this is opening doors for people that didn't feel like forking out $200 or more a month to pull in gobs of file echos and message echos. I don't know WHAT aspect of this they are looking at. Take care... Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 278 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 10/29/93 7:13p Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > On my system when PCUTIL CHECK4 runs it correctly deletes repeat files, > copies the remaining files to the holding directory, and then adds the > file names that were moved to the CHECK.IDX file. What it does not do is > remove filenames from the check.idx file according to the number of days > gone by. It also does not exit correctly. I get a file not found error > and a message from the runtime package and my system hangs waiting for a Check your A_PCU.CFG file. This is what mine looks like and these are the only uncommented lines that I have: SATELLITE_IN=c:\bridge\files ; HOLD_DIR=c:\im\files\ TOSS_DIR=c:\im\files LOG_DIR=c:\planetc\ INDEX_DIR=c:\PLANETC\ UPLD_FILE=C:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\UPLD.LST Notice that the HOLD_DIR is commented out. I have it move the files directly to my toss subdir. You may or may not want to do that. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 279 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/29/93 7:16p Subj: Printer Port. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs: > > TL> Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called > TL> STACKEY. This is You can make it jam a [CR] into the > > I'm willing to bet that it won't. When Ptccmain runs it will not allow > those keyboard stuffer programs to work. Don't tell that to my machine then <grin> It's only been working for 4 days now. I get it to press Enter once to get past that first annoying message (I'll be getting my code tomorrow, so I'll be legal for three months) and then after about 2 seconds, press Enter twice more to get the status line to display on the bottom. Like I said, don't tell my machine that it won't work. :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 280 To: ALL Date: 10/29/93 10:21p Subj: QWK program Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I've had a few messages concerning the post that I did to Patty about the QWK processing program. Here's a cap from the doc file: MKNet - QWK Network Interface Copyright by 1991, 1993 by Mark May INTRODUCTION This set of programs allows MK, RA1.1x, RA2.0, QuickBbs, and SuperBbs to work with networks that are based on the QWK format. It may also be manually configured to support other BBS types that use Hudson, Squish, *.Msg, JAM, or Ezycom format message bases. This is the "Node" program to support such a network (similar in function to programs like RNet, QNet, or TNet). To be a hub in a QWK based network you would also need a QWK mail door that support net-status, such as MKQwk. If you think this is what you need, you can freq me for: MKNET111.ARJ 221993 10/13/93 06:10 at 1:3807/401 or 402. Both are 14.4 v.32bis. Points welcome. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 281 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 10/29/93 1:30p Subj: Test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Murray, Please send me a quick routed netmail quoting this message if you would? I need to verify that things are working as they should. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 282 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 10/28/93 11:34a Subj: Product Lock problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, To my surprise I found my system locked with the following message: This Product Lock will expire after 10 more Day(s) Please call P.S.I. (615) 623-4694 Press enter to Cont. Does this mean that monthly subscribers have to monitor their systems for the last 10 days and press enter every time their systems bring up the satellite software ? Or do they loose 10 days out of each month if they want to get rid of this message. I'm running a fully automated system, and wouldn't mind a message AFTER expiration, but I can't babysit my system for 24 Hrs and manually press ENTER for the last 10 days whenever the satellite software is activated. Second, why does the TV software require this printer Product Lock ? Do all the users have to buy on of those interfaces ? BTW: I wrote some TSR software that now automatically takes care of this. Best Regards, Hans --- PcBoard 15.0U * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 L's, 10 G's. Inet:logical.cuc.ab.ca (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK STENNETT Number: 283 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 10/29/93 8:36p Subj: FINALLY CONNECTED Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > DP> of mail. It looks as if they were to be routed to 396/1. I CW> Yup, arrived here too, and were forwarded by my system. My CW> NC probably trashed them as host-roouted echomail. It CW> happens. A large number of them were slapped down as they flew over here... --- timEd-B9 * Origin: DATAMAZE CONSOLE (1:203/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS HATTON Number: 284 To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Date: 10/31/93 1:17a Subj: Product Lock problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No HH> Hello Boyd, HH> To my surprise I found my system locked with the following HH> message: HH> This Product Lock will expire after 10 more Day(s) HH> Please call P.S.I. (615) 623-4694 HH> Press enter to Cont. HH> Does this mean that monthly subscribers have to monitor their systems HH> for the last 10 days and press enter every time their systems bring up HH> the satellite software ? Or do they loose 10 days out of each month if Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail message to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to expire? Something my co-sysop thought of. Thomas --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: The_OS/2_Zone_Lexington,Ky. (606) 887-2277 (1:2370/12) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 285 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 10/29/93 4:42p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs: I know I'm a newbie re:posting here, but I've been around for a bit .. MP> It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get MP> into any moderating process. In my opinion, Planet Connect MP> is a carrier of data. If a Moderator wants someone cut from MP> a feed then that moderator should contact the downlink's NC MP> for rectification of the problem. The downlink gets his MP> node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator (if he MP> has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_? Moderators can NOT kick a person out of Fidonet. PC is not only the carrier, but ALSO the HUB. When a moderator deems neccesary to disconnect a node, they contact the HUB or NET ECHO COORDINATOR, whoever is responsible for getting the mail to that person. _They_ have the power to say who's in or out of the echos. I'm not offering a solution, just pointing out some facts .. MP> Maybe I am missing something here but I would like to think MP> that Boyd and Company would refuse to get into ANY fidonet MP> policy discussion and adopt a purely business attitude MP> without getting hung up with the BS. Regards....Murray Actually, a possible solution - at the fido feed level, depending on the message base tosser, you can tell it to ignore messages from specified addresses, limiting further distribution of the message. ... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY SCROGGIN Number: 286 To: ALL Date: 10/29/93 2:23p Subj: Test Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No seed message to open conference --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: BAYOU BBS ## West Monroe, LA ## 318-397-1822 16.8 DS (1:19/16) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE MCKEE Number: 287 To: ALL Date: 10/30/93 11:33a Subj: transmission errors Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are complaining about getting errors on files, especially on Ku. There is just simply NO reason for it. I run a dedicated 2 1/2 foot KU system, and the ONLY error I ever got was on the last version of software before the sent over the ptc1009 or whatever the name was. Since then there have been no errors whatsoever. If you are getting errors, short and sweet its from improper dish alignment. I'm sitting at the time of this writing in a early snow storm, with snow setting in and around the dish with no problems. I have also monitored during heavy fog, heavy rain, and never had a problem. Theres no big secret to aiming that dish, but it must be done properly. I personally can't speak for the c-band system, so I won't make any judgements on it, but I personally can find no fault with the Ku system. --- msged 2.07 * Origin: Nobodys Here Now, Florence KY*HST*606-282-9191 (1:108/220) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SHANNON CRUEY Number: 288 To: AARON CRUEY Date: 11/01/93 3:22p Subj: That Guy in Australia Refer: NONE Read: 01/07/94 11:43a Private: No I was just wondering if you've been able to get in touch with that huy in Australia using the sat link you were screwing around with last time we talked????? Later.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 289 To: THOMAS HATTON Date: 10/31/93 5:06p Subj: Product Lock problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail > message to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to > expire? Something my co-sysop thought of. Technically, we're ALL 3615/51 so we'll all see each other's mail. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 290 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 10/31/93 3:39p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> addressing). There are utilities to allow for these types of things -> however, for instance: > No No No <G> Yes Yes Yes, Mike. <G> > structures. It's a very basic and inneficient networking > method using packets designed for "offline readers". It has True, but some smaller nets are using it or something similar to pass their mail, Mike, or so I understand. > and Fidonet. PCBoard networking programs such as QNet(the > original), RNet, Rosemail, CAMMail, CNet, and TNet are > among those that support this standard. Ahhh, okay, perhaps that's where my confusion comes in. > Postlink (formerly called PCRelay) is a much more advanced > networking technology developed by Kip Compton. PL does > things like encrypted mail, routed mail, return receipts, > file sends/requests, network broadcasts, dynamic hub not > requiring a front end, pre-extraction, bi-directional > xfers, satellite(one way) compatability, carbon copy sends, > and Internet/Usenet ready for future use. Like Fido, it You mean when it works properly? <BIG G> We had a RIME hub locally for a while, as well as a couple of leaf nodes until they all got tired of the PostLink problems, Ms. B's snide messages, and Kip's almost complete lack of response and dumped it. > The software supports something innovative called a UTI > (universal text interface). A UTI allows *ANY* IBM BBS Yeah, that I do know about, Mike, and speaking of which, do you happen to have or know where I might locate a UTI for Maximus? I found Mxuti21c.lzh but it lacks the UTILSTRD.exe file needed to operate MegaMail. > Fido/echomail is an old and somewhat sloppy method, but it > gets the job done. Mail takes much longer with Fido than Old yes, as it predates PCRelay/PostLink, etc. but sloppy in what way? (let's continue this netmail as I doubt anyone else is interested in our discussion) > a copywritten secret. Security is also somewhat of a > problem with Fido, unless things are configured properly. The same can be said of almost any software though, Mike, in terms of poor or improper configuration. > Intermail, Opus, etc. It's somewhat complicated to set up, > and in most cases it request a kludge (a "tosser"). Not really a kludge, Mike, although the UTI way of doing it would be more seamless. The main thing that drove me away from any type of PostLink/PCRelay/QWK style network is the necessity of physically logging into another BBS (whether via PostLink, scripts in your favourite telecom software or what) and upload your mail and then wait while it builds your bundle for you to download. That really bites. > These are my opinions and observations of the above. These > are ONLY my opinions, and I don't mean to endorse a > specific product. Have been using all for several years. Understood, and as I said above, would like to continue this discussion with you via netmail, Mike, as I am interested and we may be able to enlighten one another. > We're hubbing about 15 networks (hosting New England Net) A sign of a true masochist, IMHO. <G> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 291 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 10/31/93 3:41p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer. If you Yes, I believe it has an 8k buffer. > This means that if your system is busy with something > else the incoming data won't get backed up and lost when > there is no place for it to go. True, but if no software support is required to take advantage of it, why then does/did some telecommunications software make you manually enable 16550 FIFO support? --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 292 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/31/93 3:42p Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Patty, check your inbound. I attached a file to you that > does *.msg, squish, ezycom, Hudson, and Jam message bases > for any QWK network. Tell me if it's similar to, better, > or worse than the ones you've listed above. Got it, and will do as soon as I've set up a couple of other things in my personal queue, Todd. Been busy as heck here lately. <G> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 293 To: MICKEY FERGUSON Date: 10/31/93 3:43p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > we do is load X00 before running DV (this lets X00 capture > IRQ14 and turn the 16550's buffer on), the Planet Connect > software seems to be dumb enough that it doesn't know X00 > is handling IRQ14. I may be completely wrong as to why it > works, but it does work! And incoming/outgoing calls > thru the modem, nor tossing mail arriving thru the modem > cause errors on PC. Ahhh, that makes sense, Mickey. Thanks for the info. I wonder if the OS/2 version of X00 (SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS) would allow it to operate in a comparable manner? Hmmmmmm, time for some testing! > PS...Foxy says HI! Tell 'er hello for me also. :) --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 294 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/31/93 3:44p Subj: QWK program Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > If you think this is what you need, you can freq me for: > > MKNET111.ARJ 221993 10/13/93 06:10 > > at 1:3807/401 or 402. Both are 14.4 v.32bis. Points > welcome. I've also made it available for Freq here, Todd, in the event that anyone's interested. V32B, V42B, H16, both listed and unlisted nodes welcome. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDY HEHN Number: 295 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 10/31/93 2:56p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or -> PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network -> (non-zone based addressing). There are utilities to allow for -> these types of things however, for instance: POSTLINK is only needed for RIME. Any other .qwk tosser would work for the other nets. Everybody should be aware however that you can't carry any of these other nets on your board without going through the approval policy for that net. Or to let me rephrase that, you can carry them but you can't enter any replies back onto the net without the net status that comes with that approval. And the replies have to go to a hub that carries that net and turns on the net status for you. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [f0f99/c] * Origin: Home Base BBS, St. Thomas, Ontario (1:221/128) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDY HEHN Number: 296 To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Date: 10/31/93 3:03p Subj: press enter to continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter -> to continue" prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure -> that they will enter the right codes in your software. I place your I concur. It really browned me off too that the system sat all day at that prompt. It seems the programmers never heard of a timed loop before. I had mailed off the payment too but it takes time to process. However, PC was agreeable enough to give me a temporary code to bypass this once I told them about it. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [f0f99/c] * Origin: Home Base BBS, St. Thomas, Ontario (1:221/128) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICKEY FERGUSON Number: 297 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 11/02/93 3:01a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No PP> Ahhh, that makes sense, Mickey. Thanks for the info. I PP>wonder if the OS/2 version of X00 (SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS) PP>would allow it to operate in a comparable manner? Hmmmmmm, PP>time for some testing! Your guess is as good as mine there Patty. We stopped running OS/2 when we couldn't get backup software that would work under it & "talk" to our tape drives. PP> > PS...Foxy says HI! PP> Tell 'er hello for me also. :) Please ingore her swelled head when you next correspond with her in the FemSys Echo...she just got elected President of the Nashville Sysops orginization by a >2-to-1 margin! <G> Mickey.....First executive assistant to Mdm President (for 26 years as of the 19th of this month). --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Music City Archives - Genealogy & Ham Radio (1:116/210) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 298 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/02/93 1:57a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Todd Lyons: GS>TL> Aww the PDN people are being real *^#%$^% about the GS>TL> satellite distribution system. They can't see that this is GS>TL> opening doors for people that didn't feel like forking out GS>TL> $200 or more a month to pull in gobs of file echos and GS>TL> message echos. I don't know WHAT aspect of this they are GS>TL> looking at. GS>Loss of -control-.....plain and simple.....Myself and John went 10 rounds GS>with Janis about this back when the satellite service was being GS>concieved.....Their main reason was that Planet Connect was a commercial GS>operation and that they didnt feel PC had a right to make money off others. GS>When asked why they didnt feel the same way about Ma Bell no one could give GS>straight answer. I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$^% even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's co-op, since he felt I (or Planet Connect) shouldn't be making a profit out of this. Huh? I'm running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op pays MCI $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo??? Scheeesh! Foxy --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 299 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/02/93 1:47a Subj: New File Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL>See ya Todd TL>--- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 TL> * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) Todd, are you running Fmail.96 registered on the downlink system? Our Fmail.94 barfed at 396 echo areas and we hadda switch to Gecho in order to handle the 640+ we now have in the list. How many areas will your Fmail handle?? Foxy --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS HATTON Number: 300 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/02/93 7:53a Subj: Product Lock problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail > message to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to > expire? Something my co-sysop thought of. TL> Technically, we're ALL 3615/51 so we'll all see each other's mail. TL> See ya Todd Locally...the software on your end will write the message, not received from PC (sorry for the wording). Kinda like Areafix/Raid/Seal/etc. when they write a message to the Sysop. Thomas --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: The_OS/2_Zone_Lexington,Ky. (606) 887-2277 (1:2370/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 301 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/04/93 6:29a Subj: Pc Software Refer: 298 Read: NO Private: No -> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$ -> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail distribution in jeopardy. Until everyone realizes that Planet Connect is nothing more than a *means* of distributing FidoNet mail, these people will continue to shout their high ascii.... My own personal opinion is until they can *compete* with Planet Connect on price & service, they should accept the situation for what it is: Good ol' competition that they can't match! tim moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 302 To: RUDY HEHN Date: 11/02/93 12:07a Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > POSTLINK is only needed for RIME. Any other .qwk tosser > would work for the other nets. Everybody should be aware Thanks for the info, Rudy. I wasn't certain if any of the other networks were now using PostLink as well. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 303 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/02/93 9:35p Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I used MegaMail for a long time but now I have found TimEd > and I love it. No conversion is needed so there are no dupes > on my system since I can read the same message base my > callers use. Personally, I could care less about MegaMail (read my origin line, Terry, I'm running as a point off of my own main system) but my users want it and yes, TimEd is nice. :) --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 304 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/02/93 9:36p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I wonder why the info that came with the demodulator > suggested we have one if it wasn't supported? Dunno, wishful thinking perhaps? A friend of mine already picking up off of satellite couldn't run it at all without a 16550 UART in his machine. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 305 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/02/93 9:37p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I thought it was 16 bits??? You're probably right, Todd, although I don't recall for certain any longer. Obviously, eh? <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 306 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/03/93 7:33p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$^% > even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's > co-op, since he felt I (or Planet Connect) shouldn't be making a profit > out of this. Huh? I'm running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op > pays MCI $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo??? Scheeesh! Most of the end nodes didn't realize exactly how much money we were spending on long distance bills. You seem almost to the point that people are about to have to start getting their own damn echomail. A couple of months of THEM fighting to get through for polls, filling up hard drives, and in general configuration problems would have given them an "attitude adjustment." The only bad thing in this net is that not many people have the hard drive space for the increased influx in file flow that has occurred here. Oh, well, I reap all the benefits alone then :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 307 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/03/93 7:39p Subj: New File Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TL>--- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 > > Todd, are you running Fmail.96 registered on the downlink system? Our Yep. > Fmail.94 barfed at 396 echo areas and we hadda switch to Gecho in order > to handle the 640+ we now have in the list. How many areas will your > Fmail handle?? Well I kind of cheat <g> I just don't define all of the areas in the FidoNet.NA. Fmail .96 has areafix forwarding and passthrough deletion (for registered users...at $19 it was a steal). I simply define which groups qualify for areafix forwarding. Fmail will create a new area and automatically add the node to send it to and the node to get it from (3615/50) so that I don't have to do ANYTHING. Once per night I run a utility that a local user wrote to import the actual descriptions from the FidoNet.NA into my FMAIL.AR config. Works quite well with PC. Passthrough deletion doesn't actually *delete* the area from the configs, just makes it inactive, so once a week, I go through and delete all areas with no nodes listed in them. I also avoid all low memory configurations by running PC and Fmail on a monochrome machine with QEMM. Know what that does for it? <grin> QEMM maps the first 64K segment of upper memory (normally used by VGA) to DOS memory, so I have 720K of DOS memory to play with. Get about 666K free after all my network device drivers are loaded. Fmail has NO memory shortage problems. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 308 To: ED MARQUIS Date: 11/03/93 7:20p Subj: Eastern Standard Time Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: EM> Boyd, EM> Do you realize that we can not reset our system time back to EM> EST or the lock complains with: EM> "Security Error ####-####-####" EM> "Date Violation or Execute count expired" EM> "Please call P.S.I. (615 623-4694." EM> If I set the time back to EDT I can run the program. EM> Is there a way to fix this so my computer can use the EM> correct time? Yup......If you will note it sets the CMOS clock back to its previous setting when it gets the error..... There are two choices: 1. Set the clock back and wait an hour before bringing the software up 2. Set it -ahead- an hour, run it, get the error then set it to what it should be. I found this by accident when I had the same problem. greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 309 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/03/93 7:27p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: GS>Loss of -control-.....plain and simple.....Myself and John went 10 rounds GS>with Janis about this back when the satellite service was being GS>concieved.....Their main reason was that Planet Connect was a commercial GS>operation and that they didnt feel PC had a right to make money off others. GS>When asked why they didnt feel the same way about Ma Bell no one could give GS>straight answer. FF> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One FF> nardy *^#%$^% even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* FF> the mail to the net's co-op, since he felt I (or Planet FF> Connect) shouldn't be making a profit out of this. Huh? I'm FF> running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op pays MCI FF> $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo??? Scheeesh! Well I pretty much wrote off the initial investment to "Big boys have expensive toys" :).....But I setup a dedicated system, dedicated phone line, etc etc.....I took all monthly costs including estimated return mail via ma bell and added $15 a month to that for hardware upkeep. I feed 3 groups of folks for a total of about 75 systems. I charge a CRP fee of $35 a month per group which covers the monthly expenses.....If they dont wanna pay they dont get mail. I have NO desire to operate at a profit but neither will I operate at a loss other than possibly the initial investment. Everyone seems to be quite happy as they are getting the cheapest, reliable feed they have ever had. greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 310 To: MARK STENNETT Date: 11/03/93 7:37p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Mark Stennett wrote in a message to Murray Pletsch: > What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_? > Moderators can NOT kick a person out of Fidonet. MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number. No node MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that MP> easy...! MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible... The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power' wants to get rid of someone....-excessively annoying-. greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 311 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/02/93 12:25a Subj: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Mike Labbe: KK> Run KK> PCUTIL CHECK4 KK> you should have pcutil somewhere on your satellite system's KK> drive. They send it enough times per day :) KK> edit the PCU.cfg to match your set up and run it first when KK> you exit to process mail. KK> the "check4" means check the index file (pcutil creates) for KK> dup file names and delete entries that are 4days old (so KK> that *.SU? doesnt get duped on the follwoing sunday) I recently found out that sort.exe must also be on your exec path or pcutil chokes prior to cleaning up the check.idx file. All fixed and working fine now that I added sort.exe to my 'DOS' directory. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 312 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/02/93 12:29a Subj: Sunday's Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Boyd, Why did Sundays bundles go from 0000FFFF.SUJ to 0000FFFF.SUN with nothing in between .... did we miss a pile of mail? Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILL WALTON Number: 313 To: ALL Date: 11/03/93 9:02a Subj: Filebone areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Has anyone made an accurate list of exactly what is and what is not coming down in file areas ? I did a have a look last night and I came up with the following.. Not coming in ============= PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht Novell 278/01 ???? Soundnet 327/1 Robert Johnson Treknet 206/1701 Marshall Presnell Genealogy 18/230 John Grove dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle CDN 394/1 Ray Waldo zyxel 102/825 Patrick Martin dharmanet 255/33 Barry Kapke olrnet 377/61 Paul Knupke doornet 374/6 Alex Rose Lannet 124/6101 Authur Geffen Geos 291/11 John Johnson As Far as I can tell PC is not connected to any of these filebone areas, maybe Boyd can let us know why, - They refused - They were somehow missed - a feed is not possible Although I have seen files in the followng areas they are few and far between have they stoped or just slow? MSDN Mac Net DTPnet WDN - Wordperfect etc Bill --- DB 1.54/003857 * Origin: Atlantic Access (1:255/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 314 To: BILL WALTON Date: 11/04/93 1:37p Subj: Re: Filebone areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Not coming in > ============= PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) Novell 278/01 ???? (Active) Soundnet 327/1 Robert Johnson (Active) Treknet 206/1701 Marshall Presnell (Not Active) Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) CDN 394/1 Ray Waldo (Not Active) zyxel 102/825 Patrick Martin (Active) dharmanet 255/33 Barry Kapke (Not on filebone?) olrnet 377/61 Paul Knupke (Active now) doornet 374/6 Alex Rose (Not on filebone??) Lannet 124/6101 Authur Geffen (Active) Geos 291/11 John Johnson (Active ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 315 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/04/93 1:38p Subj: Re: Sunday's Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Why did Sundays bundles go from 0000FFFF.SUJ to > 0000FFFF.SUN with nothing in between .... did we miss a pile of > mail? Nope just that they did not get sent to the uplink and I added them manually the next day or two. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 316 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/03/93 10:47a Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >Hello George. I tried that with Raid (v1.00) and it didn't like the cmdline >option. Could you send whatever later version exists to Boyd to he can get >it out via the satellite...? The latest raid (v1.23) is available via FidoNet file request from 1:270/101 as RAID and the doc as RAIDDOC. I won't be asking Boyd to distribute the software. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 317 To: MIKE MCKEE Date: 11/03/93 12:05p Subj: TRANSMISSION ERRORS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >There is a term called sidelobing which I think many of you are >experiencing, this is where your are getting a 'ghost' signal which may be >as low as 30 or 40 percent of the actual signal. A Satellite Dealer with a Absolutely. I picked up no less than 3 "good" signals when I did the aiming dance. All offered a definite increase in the signal tone, offered data indicator, and good meter. But when I found the real signal it was unmistakably different. Very well defined and solid. I was playing a guessing game. The slip of paper with the coordinates was absent any writing. But that didn't deter me. I spent a wonderful half hour out in the yard wearing that dish. I was among the informed though. I did this stuff in the army twenty-something years ago. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 318 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/04/93 6:23p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TB> Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local net at TB> my subscription cost and they didn't take me up on it... they TB> first have to "study the feasibility." Yeah. and study it... and study it... ad infinitum. We offered to be an echomail test hub (me & all six of my downlinks) when the 1st dish (the file co-op's) arrived in our net, so we as a net could KNOW how reliable 'twas. No response of ANY kind from our NEC. So at the urging of the downlinks, Hubby & I went and ordered our own dish. Now the REC is quitting as of Jan 1st and the NEC is faced with finding a new land-line link, not to mention that the NEC-administered CRP has *three* satellite downlinks in the area already, all with the potential of undercutting the CRP's price structure; the CRP Co-op members are in a bit (to say the least) of turmoil, and nobody knows what's coming next. I don't think some people can see (or will admit) that while FidoNet has been evolving in the past, this time it's been hit with a revolution, and individual nodes seem to have only three choices: 1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away. It won't. 2) fight it, and hope to win. Not likely. 3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you. Best choice. Me, I wanna be a survivor of this revolution. I guess you do too. <g> BTW, where 'bouts in Alabama are you located? I'm 'bout 25 miles west of Nashville. Foxy --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 319 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/04/93 6:38p Subj: New File Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL>Well I kind of cheat <g> I just don't define all of the areas in the TL>FidoNet.NA. Fmail .96 has areafix forwarding and passthrough deletion (for TL>registered users...at $19 it was a steal). Neat. *I* don't call that cheatin', just using the ol' noggin. <g> TL>I also avoid all low memory configurations by running PC and Fmail on a TL>monochrome machine with QEMM. Know what that does for it? <grin> Damn! Never thought 'bout using that spare monochrome CRT in the corner. Regards, Foxy --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 320 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/04/93 3:04p Subj: Rime Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Is anyone who is NOT a member of RIME picking up the RIME mail and passing -> it on to RIME nodes WITHOUT Postlink? If so, how do you have things -> working? a) Rime is not currently available through PC. b) RIME is a private network, with a yearly dues, and requires Postlink software for both nodes and hubs. Converting the bases would compromise the functionality of the software and violate network policy. Mike --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 321 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/06/93 5:24p Subj: Pc Software Refer: 318 Read: NO Private: No -> 1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away. It won't. That's what the moderators are doing... -> 2) fight it, and hope to win. Not likely. That's what the disgruntled *C's are doing... -> 3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you. Best choice. Hooray for us, that's what *we're* doing! |) tim moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 322 To: ROB NELSON Date: 11/05/93 7:39a Subj: Eastern Standard Time Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Shut down PTCCMAIN, set your time back, and don't start up > PTCCMAIN for minimum one hour. Thanks! Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 323 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/05/93 7:43a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > they are holding out for the new phone system that will deliver > data at 64 k a second and save them money ...which is due to > become available in our area in about 15 short years. Poor misguided folks huh? <g> I've been an NEC for about 5 years and have always paid a lot of my own cash to get 1/3 of what we're getting now. Now I can use that money to buy some more CD roms!! (got any to sell?) <g> Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 324 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 11/05/93 7:56a Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > That is my question: if the "owners" are so concerned about PC's > making a buck off their efforts (which they're not, really), > what's the difference between that and the Telco? Besides, WHO I agree. There is no difference between PC and the Telco to me, except that the satellite delivers better because I don't get busy signals. In my opinion, they are both "carriers". Fido never really spelled out the policy when it came to "making a profit" with Echomail. It always assumed that the phone company would be making a profit. I figure that this would mean that any true carrier (rather than an end node or Fido hub) would be exempt from this rule. PC's services are really a method of transmission just like the Telco. Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 325 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 11/05/93 7:59a Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Can we start an area call PSDN Programmers Software Distribution > Network. Or how about Programmers *** Satellite *** Distribution Network? --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 326 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/05/93 9:46p Subj: RE: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) >etc... Boyd, would it help or hurt if we asked via netmail for those areas that are denied to PC to reconsider? --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 327 To: MICKEY FERGUSON Date: 11/05/93 11:10p Subj: Press Enter To Continue Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Terry, as long as everyone out here in satelliteland is doing everything > we can to automate the operation of our sites....AND...PC's software has > unexpected little nastys like the <perss enter to continue> built into > it that cause folks to lose mail, it life WILL be short. I don't care > how cheap it is if I can't depend on it! Simple as that. And as long as people know how to use programs like STACKEY to stuff keyboard buffers then we will continue to use Planet Connect. endofthread BUT, if I don't remember to call PC for my three month code, I WON'T be working :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 328 To: GEORGE PEACE Date: 11/05/93 11:17p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > >Raid is everything that I wanted (didn't have autoforward, but I suspect > Forwarding is something folks seem to like. But it > scares me from a practical sense. It's not like echomail where your > downlinks up your load by a only small amount with every request. True. I would stress very strongly in your docs, that if you are not dedicated to serving the nodes under you, then it would be a good idea to disable forwarding. In my case, the Filebone is definitely worth autoadding as I get it as part of my $40 anyway. > >I hated to because the Allfix support seems like a less than fair group. > >But I won't whine any more.. > The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly > dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of A *VERY* nice way of putting it. > violence. I enjoy using software. I even have some favorites. I dare > sayI'd never consider dying over it. The specs on the allfix and file To be honest, there's nothing I have found that I *didn't* like yet. > manager programs look pretty neat. Actual mileage may vary. Been good so far. I just didn't like the way they treated *you*. 'nuff said See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 329 To: RALPH LOBIANCO Date: 11/05/93 11:18p Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > -> 16550AFN (I use the BNU 1.88 beta). I suspect that even though PC > -> can't handle the FIFO, > I don't think so.. if PC isn't calling the fossil driver then it won't > use the FIFO.. I have however tried a few utilities that are supposed to > turn on the Fifo for Dos programs that don't.. And it did sorta work.. Basically what I've found is that if you enable the 16550 buffering (via a fossil or 16550.exe) then PC can't talk to the port. It can only be done after the initial opening of the port by PC (as per my feeble tests) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 330 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 11/05/93 11:20p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > I thought it was 16 bits??? > You're probably right, Todd, although I don't recall for > certain any longer. Obviously, eh? <g> Well it must be the quality of my Crown: I was wrong too. 16 bytes. But, hey! Close enough for us, eh? :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 331 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/05/93 6:09p Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > If the interrupts are busy for any significant amount of time, the > UART fifo won't help much. That 16-byte buffer has always been sufficient here. And, we tried handling an old HST on 2 different XT's without it, and it didn't work. You'd have to have some REALLY slow hardware to cause character loss with the FIFO buffer working. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 332 To: MICKEY FERGUSON Date: 11/05/93 6:17p Subj: PRESS ENTER TO CONTINUE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > sites....AND...PC's software has unexpected little nastys like the > <perss enter to continue> built into it that cause folks to lose It's a moot point, Mickey. Planet Connect is listening; Boyd has already announced a new version of the software that doesn't have the <press enter to continue> trap. I'm sure that all of us will have trouble from time to time, some of it no doubt due to PC's screwups. I'm JUST as sure that they will do everything in their power to prevent future occurrances, and to make our lives as painless as possible when it comes to echomail. Cut them a bit of slack while they go through the learning curve with us. <<Jim>> --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 8+ gigs, 90,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 333 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/05/93 8:48a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Mark Stennett: > What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_? > Moderators can NOT kick a person out of Fidonet. MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number. No node MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that MP> easy...! MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible... GS> The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power' GS> wants to get rid of someone....-excessively annoying-. As quoted.. _show_ us the policy that says that we can take a node's node number away, for being annoying in _one_ echo. Go ahead and download policy 4, and quote it.. Moderators do have SOME power; that power permeates only over their own echo, and not over a node's normal business. They can _not_ demand a NC/RC/ZC revoke a person's node number, just for being out of hand in, say, the "FOOBAR" echo. A moderator CAN, however, request that a node no longer be allowed to participate in an echo. For some cases, total disconnection is the answer. For some feeds, they can give the echo to the node but refuse to take mail posted. Easy enough. Don't think that I'm just anti-moderator. I am the moderator of 4 different echos myself; one of them, I have to be a vigalante in trying to maintain order in it. I can't take away _any_ of their node numbers; all I can do is contact the person's sysop/hub/next up in the chain, and block their ability to post. It'd be NEAT to kill a BBS just because I felt power hungry.. but that's not how it works. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Number: 334 To: JOE OVERHOLT Date: 11/06/93 12:46p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Joe: Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where people could use it. So we have to call you in order to get connected to Planet Connect. So where the hell are you? My software got crippled on Sat, as per your schedule. I sent in my bucks, but you hadn't received it yet. So I was told that it was your policy that I have to wait until you received proof. So I waited. Well, now I called on Sat morning because, as per schedule, your ****ing crippled software started limping on me and needed me to puch the ENTER key again, and where are you? I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be there are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve to cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying customers. Thanks, Joe. My whole net really appreciates it. Do me and everyone else a favor. If you don't plan to be around to uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on the D*** screen, but don't cripple the software so it doesn't work in a batch file. When people's subscription runs out, THEN make the software COMPLETELTY unusable. Don't do this halfway shit. It pisses people off, and pissed off people tend to go to the competition. Rudolf Rothemund PS: If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory and place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO, it bypasses your little stunt. --- WM v3.01/92-0432 * Origin: The USS Columbia (216) 345-5807 (1:2440/10.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LAZ GOTTLI Number: 335 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/06/93 12:18p Subj: Eastern Standard Time Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No GS >1. Set the clock back and wait an hour before bringing the GS >software up WOW!!! is that all it is? I had a real bad time trying to see what machine it would actually work on and it kept tossing me out! I think I now have the times sysncronised on all machines will that help? ttyl Laz (this is my first full day running one here. I am a newbe!) --- * Origin: The TERMINAL BBS [403]327-9731 Lethbridge,AB (1:358/17) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 336 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/06/93 9:08p Subj: Sunday's Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd-- BG> Nope just that they did not get sent to the uplink and I added them BG> manually the next day or two. Were these named as part of those day's mail bundles? (i.e. MO1,TU2,WE3, etc?) I hope so. I had wondered about this break in the bundle names, too. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN JOHNSON Number: 337 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/05/93 10:31p Subj: Re: Filebone areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Boyd, * In a message originally to Bill Walton, Boyd Goodin said: > > Not coming in > > ============= > > PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access > denied) --CLIP-- > Geos 291/11 John Johnson (Active What would be the chanches of me sending the files headed for the "bone" to you with my outbound bundles? Or would it be better to try and get a connection with John S. directly to uplink the new files? Reason I ask is because the existing link is gonna go away. :) John --- FastEcho 1.30/g * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 338 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/07/93 2:31a Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tracy-- TM> Boyd, would it help or hurt if we asked via netmail for those areas that TM> are denied to PC to reconsider? Well, I just got thru with a lengthy rebuttal to the GSDS head honcho, John Le Duc. He was getting crass because of several (maybe more?) netmails that were taking him to task for not allowing GSDS on the feed just yet. And to top it all off, NONE of the folks that netmailed him were even into genealogy!!! GSDS is the genealogy software net, and I am a Genealogy sysop. He posted in the Genealogy Sysop echo for anyone to speak their mind about this, so I did. He (and obviously a portion of the sysops in that echo - me excluded, because I didn't even know a poll was being taken about this in February) decided in February to take a "let's wait and see how it goes/fizzles" attitude, and enacted a 1-year moratorium on allowing GSDS on the satellite. Well, he is putting it back before the sysops now to see if anyone has changed their mind. Two have spoken up AGAINST it. (And wouldn't you know neither of them have any experience with PC?????????). Well, I let my hair down about it. I said this to say this to you: NO, NO, NO!!!! DON'T antagonize these folks by cluttering up their netmail areas. All it's going to do is add fuel to the fire. Some of them are just buttheads, and don't want their authority threatened. I would suggest we post in their echo areas and ask the "members" of their file nets what their opinion is. We need to be positive about Planet Connect in everything we do and say to whoever we do/say it to. WE know it's a great deal. Obviously some of them don't, yet. What does anyone else reading this say????? Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 339 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/07/93 12:49a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number. No node MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that MP> easy...! MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible... GS> The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power' GS> wants to get rid of someone....-excessively annoying-. JF> As quoted.. _show_ us the policy that says that we can take JF> a node's node number away, for being annoying in _one_ JF> echo. Go ahead and download policy 4, and quote it.. JF> Moderators do have SOME power; that power permeates only JF> over their own echo, and not over a node's normal business. JF> They can _not_ demand a NC/RC/ZC revoke a person's node JF> number, just for being out of hand in, say, the "FOOBAR" JF> echo. I didnt say they could......Put your glasses on Jason :) What I did say was "The same part......." as quoted above.....The moderator cant do it, that much you are right about......Nor should the NC or RC or ZC be able to do it if they only act up in -one- echo....But you let someone show their butt multiple times or get a bunch of 'powers that be' against them and they will lose their node number....Its happened many times..... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 340 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/08/93 1:28a Subj: Re: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow? Yep. > These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas > like the UTILNET2 for these also? Tell me about it. Theirs (and yours) loss. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 341 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/08/93 1:30a Subj: Re: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > .FRB > .FRC > Is there any way to remedy this? This is a new extended charactor set. If your tosser does not handle the new format you will have to manually extract the ones with extensions of A to Z. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOSEPH GIBSON Number: 342 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/06/93 1:58p Subj: Re: Filebone areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > doornet 374/6 Alex Rose (Not on filebone??) BG>....Boyd Hi Boyd, you said not on filebone...? ___ cut from filebone.na Area DOORDIST 0 U Door Files: NodeLists & Official Files Area DFN_APP 0 U Door Files: Door Applications Area DFN_NAPP 0 U Door Files: Net Work Applications Area DFN_ARCD 0 U Door Files: Arcade Game Doors Area DFN_CHAN 0 U Door Files: Chance Doors (Gambling) Area DFN_DEVP 0 U Door Files: Door Development Area DFN_MISC 0 U Door Files: Misc. Doors Area DFN_RPG 0 U Door Files: Role Playing Games Area DFN_SPRT 0 U Door Files: Sport Doors Area DFN_TRIV 0 U Door Files: Trivia Doors Area DFN_UTIL 0 U Door Files: Door Utilities Area DFN_WAR 0 U Door Files: War Game Doors Area DFN_WC 0 U Door Files: Wild Cat Doors Area DFN_PCB 0 U Door Files: PCBoard Doors ; Headquarters 1:374/6 Alex Rose ; SysOp Echo: D_SYSOP ; Info file: Request DOORNET ; DoorFile Network (Zone 75) --- In my filebone file there listed. Only thing I see that Alex won't let them go out unless you belong to Doornet... Then why list them in the Filebone if there are not going to be available. JG! * QMPro 1.51 * A father is a banker provided by nature. --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0047] * Origin: Reservation Only! Las Vegas,Nv 702-898-8630 (1:209/721) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 343 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/07/93 12:26p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Foxy! Thursday November 04 1993, Foxy Ferguson writes to Terry Blount: FF> We offered to be an echomail test hub (me & all six of my downlinks) FF> when the 1st dish (the file co-op's) arrived in our net, so we as a net FF> could KNOW how reliable 'twas. No response of ANY kind from our NEC. So :((( FF> *three* satellite downlinks in the area already, all with the potential FF> of undercutting the CRP's price structure; the CRP Co-op members are in FF> a bit (to say the least) of turmoil, and nobody knows what's coming FF> next. In Net 153 we have taken a very active view that if it is cheaper and reliable, lets do it. After the initial testing period we find it is both. The Net sponsored CRP has made arrangements with one PCSite for The Fido Echomail and FileBone areas and is looking at the very real possibility of bringing a second (existing PC system) on stream for the Net real soon. We believe we will need the bandwidth to get the stuff to the Top Net Hubs in a timley fashion for feeding on to the Hubs who actually feed the nodes.) With the increasing demand for links into the Echomail and File distribution, we are finding our problems are no longer one of cost, but of efficiency of moving and processing all the stuff within reasonable time frames. It is working very well, almost to great, we are having to bring on many more Hubs to keep up with the demand for new links... and there is a definite educational period involved... :) FF> I don't think some people can see (or will admit) that while FidoNet has FF> been evolving in the past, this time it's been hit with a revolution, FF> and individual nodes seem to have only three choices: Unfortunately, this happen a lot, in many areas of life, manufacturing, business... just take a look at the economies of two countriesd. I am thankful to be here to be a part of this revolution, it is quite exciting FF> 1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away. It won't. FF> 2) fight it, and hope to win. Not likely. FF> 3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you. Best choice. 3. Best choice (only one really) :) Cheers, Ervin ... Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 344 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/07/93 12:31p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! Thursday November 04 1993, Terry Blount writes to Jason Fesler: TB> ...and you think that is "nice" ?? What if I didn't like you TB> and I moderated a conference... or what if one moderator didn't TB> like another moderator? Moderators have WAY too much authority TB> and they have no regulations as far as I can tell. Yes, Moderators are GAWD's of their echoes... :((( in the great majority of the Backbone echoes, this actually seems not to cause a great deal of trouble, but in those cases where it does, ir "really" does :(( I am/was hoping to see some sort of restraint mechanism instituted into the New Echopol, it may not appear due to the vocal few who wish to keep their GAWD positions. Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 345 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/07/93 12:35p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! Friday November 05 1993, Terry Blount writes to Foxy Ferguson: TB> The people like me and the others who started getting the TB> satellite feed don't want to stir up trouble by recruiting TB> sysops from the old net to join with us in getting the satellite TB> feed and sharing the cost... so more and more PC subscriptions TB> will follow. It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists. A very nice marriage between Net sponsired CRP's and PC Sites can work wonders for the Sysops of a Net.... Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 346 To: MICKEY FERGUSON Date: 11/06/93 6:34a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Your guess is as good as mine there Patty. We stopped > running OS/2 when we couldn't get backup software that > would work under it & "talk" to our tape drives. Shame on you, Mickey! Where's your sense of adventure? <g> > Please ingore her swelled head when you next correspond > with her in the FemSys Echo...she just got elected > President of the Nashville Sysops orginization by > a >2-to-1 margin! <G> Cool. I'll send her my congrats via FEMALE_SYSOP. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 347 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 11/06/93 6:36a Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > It's 16 BYTES. Thanks for toggling my buffer back on, Jim. <G> > The FIFO buffer is disabled by default, and must be turned > on (enabled) by software somehow. Either the comm software > itself, a FOSSIL, or 16550.EXE. And thanks much! for this timely answer also. It's what had me puzzled when folks were saying that the current software used the 16550 while PC support was saying Not! --)@ Patty @(-- P.S. Good to see you also survived the BBSCON. --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 348 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 11/06/93 6:38a Subj: Re: echo list Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > much worse "rap" than it deserves... Been running it here > since 1988 with very few problems. Most problems are I was under the impression that PostLink just came out a year or so ago, Mike, or are you talking about PCRelay & PostLink? > No, unfortunately I don't... But if you call RUNNING BOARD > BBS in Bethesda, MA they have all the known UTIs available. Thanks Mike, will do. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 349 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/06/93 6:40a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > No ... it's just a 16 byte buffer, actually. <blush> Yeah, Jim Dunmyer reminded me, Hector, but thanks. > If the interrupts are busy for any significant amount of > time, the UART fifo won't help much. Aww, just go and rain on my parade whydontcha? <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 350 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 11/06/93 6:43a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I have ran almost all BBS packages, Mailers, Tossers, Hardware, > and Networks. Drop us a note when you get around to OS/2 2.1ga or WinNT !NOT!, Ozz. <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 351 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/07/93 10:50p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I said this to say this to you: NO, NO, NO!!!! DON'T antagonize > these folks by cluttering up their netmail areas. All it's going to > do is add fuel to the fire. Some of them are just buttheads, and > don't want their authority threatened. It was never my intention to start a netmail annoyance campaign. Fido politics is often annoying all by its self with out any help. On the other hand, it doesn't get anybody anywhere if no one says anything hoping they'll figure out we want the feed either. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 352 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/07/93 9:27p Subj: SEENBYS. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > 3615/51 being our uplink computer. Please check all areas and remove > it from your seenbys. Boyd, I've put this message in the echo to see if it has no seenby's. I took a look in my control file and have removed that address from where it was supposed to be. Please let me know if this situation continues. Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 353 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/07/93 12:42p Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I generate some traffic through the ethernet, like even one of the other > machines requesting time synchronization, I get errors on the PC > download when the machine running PC gets the query accross its NIC. It > seems that the network interface card's interrupts are seriously what IRQ are you using? I have 8 bit (SLOW) arcnet running on IRQ 7 on my PConn machine and have no problems receiving files to my server's hd, even with heavy network activity. And YES I know there is a big difference between the topologies/methodologies of arcnet vs. ethernet. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.23 * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 354 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/07/93 10:18a Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > like religion. Since this conference is basically only > available to those who are "saved" like us and already connected > to the satellite feed you won't find anyone to answer your > question here. <grin> <<ROTFL>> As one of the fellas in the TBBS echo commented, he sees most non-participating FDN's fading away, due to the vast difference in cost of distubution. "We" are going to get spoiled very quickly, and flat out refuse to make calls for stuff that should by rights be coming in as part of our PC service. Seems to me that they'd be falling all over themselves to be sure that *their* FDN is linked to PC, instead of making some sort of holdout action. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 10+ gigs, 100,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 355 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/06/93 12:16p Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Terry Blount wrote in a message to Jason Fesler: JF> It would be _nice_ if the Moderator can cut a person's node JF> number out of the nodelist. I know MANY moderators that JF> would love to do that. TB> ...and you think that is "nice" ?? What if I didn't TB> like you and I moderated a conference... or what if one TB> moderator didn't like another moderator? Moderators have TB> WAY too much authority and they have no regulations TB> as far as I can tell. Terry, you didn't read my entire message, or note the sarcasm. I was trying to tell the bloke that you can't do that.. but if moderators had that power, the fidonet would be utter (instead of almost utter) chaos. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com ... Friends don't let friends use Fraudigy. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 356 To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Date: 11/07/93 11:29a Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where people > could use it. So we have to call you in order to get connected to > Planet Connect. So where the hell are you? My software got crippled It was me who put that pause in there. > you? I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be there > are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your Why didn't you can again during the day? I got in at 12:35 pm eastern and stayed till 6 pm. Never got a call back from you. > software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve to > cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying customers. Do you expect me to be there 24 hours a day? Man I take half a day off and you blow your top because you expect me to be there on that one call you placed. Sorry I do have a life besides waiting for your call. > Thanks, Joe. My whole net really appreciates it. Tha sould be thanks Boyd and your welcome. > Do me and everyone else a favor. If you don't plan to be around to > uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on the I was there just not at the time you called. > PS: If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory and > place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file > PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO, > it bypasses your little stunt. Well then what are you comlaining about. Seems you fixed it. Are you complaining because I was not there to receive your call or about the pause in the saoftware? ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHIL MILLER Number: 357 To: TODD LYONS Date: 10/26/93 5:26p Subj: Re: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Mon 25-Oct-1993 22:33 thus spake Todd Lyons unto Phil Miller: TL> Phil, are you running with or without Lancache? Some other cache? No TL> cache? I use smartdrive on the node that processes the mail.. --- GoldED 2.41/Intermail 2.25/FastEcho 1.25/TAG 2.6F1 Beta * Origin: NET 2201 Echo Operations (Fidonet: 1:2201/200) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 358 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/07/93 4:24p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TB> Although he was not excited about the new technology he didn't TB> move with it. Now about 3 or 4 of his old feeds have their own TB> satellite connection and the phone bill has to be divided by a TB> lower number of sysops. Planet Connect is clearly the winner. TB> Had the hub subscribed to PC everyone would have shared the $40 TB> expense but now PC is collecting more than twice that from our TB> old net area. Pretty much the same scenario here. Instead of one dish in this net, there's apt to be a minimum of four, as we have a coupla big pay BBS's here that would be wise to get their own. TB> feed and sharing the cost... so more and more PC subscriptions TB> will follow. Yep. Inevitable as measles. TB> I'm located in Bayou La Batre... about half way between Mobile TB> and Dolphin Island. Hey! Send me some of those warm Gulf Coast breezes: 'twas 30 deg and a 20 mph north wind t'other day when I went up on the roof to get the snow off the dish. <g> --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 359 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/07/93 5:22p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow? These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas like the UTILNET2 for these also? --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 360 To: MIKE LABBE Date: 11/07/93 5:22p Subj: Rime Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No ML>a) Rime is not currently available through PC. Thanks -- per the advertisement I thought it was. Per the dish yesterday I wondered. 8-) ML>b) RIME is a private network, with a yearly dues, and requires Postlink ML>software for both nodes and hubs. Converting the bases would compromise the ML>functionality of the software and violate network policy. What I would like to do when RIME comes online is allow the RIME archive(s) to be sent to the local system, let them use PostLink to import the mail, and use PostLink to establish an uplink as we do with the Fidonet uplink. Whether a RIME link used FTN to transport the files or a door makes no difference to me -- having the RIME folks pitch in a few dollars to help reduce the burden on the satelite link is what I am after. --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 361 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/07/93 5:22p Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions: .FRB .FRC Is there any way to remedy this? --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 362 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/08/93 5:52a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Eddie Rowe wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their ER> FDN to flow? DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception... Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards folks that can afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software package, and at least another $20,000 for the hardware, it has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO) Genealogy is doing a 'look and see' at the moment, as I understand it... Who cares about ansinet... PDN is adamant about it, total control is what she wants. The FDN of UTILNET retired and passed the hat saying it was 'open'. When he heard that that Kevin and Janis wouldn't allow it on the Sat., he came back out of retirement and started UTILNET2, which Kevin refuses to place into the FILEBONE.NA file so folks can get access to it... As I understand it to be, or IMHO, at the moment... Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star, TBBS ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BERT KENNEDY Number: 363 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/07/93 5:13p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! 03 Nov 93 12:37, Terry Blount wrote to Foxy Ferguson: TB> Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local net at TB> my subscription cost and they didn't take me up on it... they TB> first have to "study the feasibility." One sysops calculated TB> that the $40 cost divided by the number of conferences came out TB> to 25 cents per conference and since he wanted only 3 TB> conferences he decided he should pay 75 cents a month... they TB> were also afraid that lightening would strike my dish or that TB> satellite technology was so "new" that it wasn't reliable... TB> they are holding out for the new phone system that will deliver TB> data at 64 k a second and save them money ...which is due to TB> become available in our area in about 15 short years. After having read all this I felt I must let you know there is hope for our users and fellow sysops. Here in 3648/* . We all met agreed on a flat rate for each system connected to our net (Point or not) and voted on a tresurer. I pay nothing since I invested in the system they manage the quartely monies and I pay ma-bell not a dime!! I love it, here is wishing you more success.. Bert --- Fmail.096/RA+ Registered * Origin: ----> Default GoldED Origin <---- (1:3648/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAN DHATT Number: 364 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/05/93 4:59p Subj: Filebone areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Thursday November 04 1993 13:37, Boyd Goodin wrote to Bill Walton: BG> Soundnet 327/1 Robert Johnson (Active) ^^^^^^^^^ Does this mean that there is some feed problem? I'd really like to see SoundNet. Brian --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Dhatt's Point (1:3648/2.5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 365 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/08/93 10:39a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Terry Blount: JF> Terry, you didn't read my entire message, or note the JF> sarcasm. I was trying to tell the bloke that you can't do JF> that.. but if moderators had that power, the fidonet would JF> be utter (instead of almost utter) chaos. You are right... <grin> you caught me... I was just browsing messages and looking for a spot to insert my opinion. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 366 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/08/93 10:42a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Terry Blount: FF> Hey! Send me some of those warm Gulf Coast breezes: 'twas 30 FF> deg and a 20 mph north wind t'other day when I went up on FF> the roof to get the snow off the dish. <g> I really sympathize... it dropped to 44 last night.... liked to have frozen my buns off ! The wife thought I was making moves on her when I was trying to thaw out :) --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 367 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 11/08/93 10:45a Subj: Coming changes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ervin Jay wrote in a message to Terry Blount: EJ> Yes, Moderators are GAWD's of their echoes... :((( in the EJ> great majority of the Backbone echoes, this actually seems EJ> not to cause a great deal of trouble, but in those cases EJ> where it does, ir "really" does :(( EJ> I am/was hoping to see some sort of restraint mechanism EJ> instituted into the New Echopol, it may not appear due to EJ> the vocal few who wish to keep their GAWD positions. Since there is not any apparent check on the quality of moderating I can only hope that the bad ones find themselves moderating a conference that is local to the bbs they access. There should be a maximum number of users who can be asked to leave a conference and if that number is exceeded the conference should be banned from the backbone. If a moderator has so much difficulty getting along with people or they simply can't tolerate different views to the point that they have to continue to kick out participants they are not qualified for the job. I think about 3 expulsions a year is plenty high even in the most controversial echos. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 368 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 11/08/93 10:53a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ervin Jay wrote in a message to Terry Blount: TB> The people like me and the others who started getting the TB> satellite feed don't want to stir up trouble by recruiting TB> sysops from the old net to join with us in getting the satellite TB> feed and sharing the cost... so more and more PC subscriptions TB> will follow. EJ> It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists. A very nice EJ> marriage between Net sponsired CRP's and PC Sites can work EJ> wonders for the Sysops of a Net.... In theory... and in many areas YES. But in MOST areas the bachelor lifestyle has prevailed so long that the compromise of marriage is perceived as a threat. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 369 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 11/08/93 10:57a Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > like religion. Since this conference is basically only > available to those who are "saved" like us and already connected > to the satellite feed you won't find anyone to answer your > question here. <grin> JD> <<ROTFL>> JD> JD> As one of the fellas in the TBBS echo commented, he sees JD> most non-participating FDN's fading away, due to the vast JD> difference in cost of distubution. "We" are going to get JD> spoiled very quickly, and flat out refuse to make calls for JD> stuff that should by rights be coming in as part of our PC JD> service. Seems to me that they'd be falling all over JD> themselves to be sure that *their* FDN is linked to PC, JD> instead of making some sort of holdout action. You do know that Moses could not have delivered the ten commandments if the people had already had an established set of commandmentas ...or a land line in this case :) --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 370 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/08/93 5:36p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley: KJ> I would suggest we post in their echo areas and ask the KJ> "members" of their file nets what their opinion is. We need KJ> to be positive about Planet Connect in everything we do and KJ> say to whoever we do/say it to. WE know it's a great deal. KJ> Obviously some of them don't, yet. KJ> What does anyone else reading this say????? I say "be cool" and show patience. If we, who have found salvation in this new technology, go about stirring up trouble then those who are "lost" may drop out and start their own church. Our goal is to get the files the authors write. It would be an incentive to offer the authors the opportunity to distribute their programs via satellite (if their network isn't connected). All we need is a phone number where shareware authors can upload programs for satellite distribution. The original purpose the distribution networks were created was to distribute files. That can also be the purpose for creating an alternative solution that has temporarily restricted the flow of these files to hundreds of bbs's. The shareware authors found the distribution nets and they will also find a way to get their programs to us if we provide a number they can send them to. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 371 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/08/93 1:49p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Quoting Ken Jackson to Tracy : KJ>What does anyone else reading this say????? I agree with you: don't clutter up their netmail. Flood their echo instead. I'm with you, bud. Foxy Music City Archives - Genealogy & Ham Radio --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 372 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/08/93 11:03p Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No ER>There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform ER>to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions: ER>.FRB ER>.FRC ER>Is there any way to remedy this? Just toss the ones with .xx0 thru .xx9, then rename the others in sequence, then toss them. No biggie. My tosser will handle .xx0 thru .xxF, so I do the same when they go to G and above. The other satellite node in our net is running a later ver (registered) of the same tosser I am he says it will toss .xx0 thru .xxZ. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 373 To: MODERATOR Date: 11/06/93 12:58p Subj: ELIST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Tim, Is there a reason that Planet_Connect was restricted to Planet_Connect systems only or was that an error? Check the ELIST and you'll see what I mean. I'd like to see PC available to the backbone so people can find out what is going on and stop posting about Sat downlink technology in every other echo in the universe (e.g.-TVRO). What's everyone else think? Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Number: 374 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/08/93 8:25p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> > Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where peop -> > could use it. So we have to call you in order to get connected to -> > Planet Connect. So where the hell are you? My software got crippl -> -> It was me who put that pause in there. -> -> > you? I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be th -> > are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your -> -> Why didn't you can again during the day? I got in at 12:35 pm ea -> stayed till 6 pm. Never got a call back from you. -> -> > software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve -> > cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying custom -> -> Do you expect me to be there 24 hours a day? Man I take half a d -> you blow your top because you expect me to be there on that one call -> placed. Sorry I do have a life besides waiting for your call. -> -> > Thanks, Joe. My whole net really appreciates it. -> -> Tha sould be thanks Boyd and your welcome. -> -> > Do me and everyone else a favor. If you don't plan to be around to -> > uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on -> -> I was there just not at the time you called. -> -> > PS: If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory an -> > place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file -> > PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO, -> > it bypasses your little stunt. -> -> -> Well then what are you comlaining about. Seems you fixed it. Are -> complaining because I was not there to receive your call or about the -> the saoftware? -> -> -> ...Boyd -> -> --- DB 1.54/004770 -> * Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) Boyd: To your credit, I appreciate the call you made to make things right on Sunday morning. Thank you for taking the time to call to give me the proper codes and to tell me that you were changing the "crippled software" problem to a much better solution. I'm sorry I got pissed off, and I apoligize. Thanks for making it right. Rudy --- WM v3.10/92-0432 * Origin: The USS Columbia (216) 345-5807 (1:2440/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 375 To: TIM HELTON Date: 11/09/93 12:10a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: 11/11/93 6:53p Private: No Hello Tim! 04 Nov 93, Tim Helton writes to Foxy Ferguson: ->> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$ ->> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's But...But...But.... I do _give_ it to my net. TH> Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of TH> Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail TH> distribution in jeopardy. The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in the basket" problem. If my system crashes while I'm away (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the net do then? It's a valid argument. The current system in Net 141 is 14 people polling, 2 each night, for mail from the stars then distrubuting it across the net for free. My contribution to the effort is the "other" echos not currently being polled for. So far it's working quite well. I only supply a portion of the available echos and most of them are fairly low to moderate traffic. The system may change as others in the area link into PC. -><-Dennis --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Number: 376 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 11/08/93 8:28p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No EJ> It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists. A very EJ> nice marriage between Net sponsired CRP's and PC Sites EJ> can work wonders for the Sysops of a Net.... Hi there, We in Net 353 are going Satellite real soon now. The only problem is the economics. I would be interested in hearing about net 153's "marriage between the CRP and the PC Site". Ian --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Parity Error (1:353/250) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HECTOR MANDEL Number: 377 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/08/93 8:21p Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 07 12:42>, Todd Lyons of 1:3807/400 writes: >> I generate some traffic through the ethernet, like even one of >> the other machines requesting time synchronization, I get >> errors on the PC download when the machine running PC gets the >> query accross its NIC. It seems that the network interface >> card's interrupts are seriously TL> what IRQ are you using? I have 8 bit (SLOW) arcnet running on TL> IRQ 7 on my PConn machine and have no problems receiving files to TL> my server's hd, even with heavy network activity. And YES I know TL> there is a big difference between the topologies/methodologies of TL> arcnet vs. ethernet. It's running on IRQ 7. I am using SMC... Maybe it's Netware light?? *shrug* This is annoying. --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: Cloud Chamber BBS, LurkNET HUB 217-684-2081 (1:233/15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 378 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/08/93 6:34p Subj: RE: WHERE ARE YOU???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > * Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ahem.... Incorporated. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 379 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/08/93 5:59a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > The command in: > > XU port:?:ON Thanks much, Terry. :) --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 380 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/08/93 6:00a Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Well it must be the quality of my Crown: I was wrong too. 16 So drink some for me too, Todd... I think I'm gonna need it. <g> --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 381 To: TIM HELTON Date: 11/09/93 1:55a Subj: Backbone Refer: NONE Read: 11/11/93 6:54p Private: No Tim-- Is PLANET_CONNECT going on the backbone or not? I have seen no mention of it in any of the FIDONET.* files. Those that can't get it are cluttering up other echos asking questions, and the users of those echos are getting fed up with seeing questions about PC. So what's the story on this? I asked Boyd a week+ ago, but haven't received any response about this. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 382 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/09/93 2:00a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Eddie-- BG>> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) BG>> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) BG>> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) BG>> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) BG>> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow? ER> These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas ER> like the UTILNET2 for these also? Hold off on hexing GSDS(genealogy). Us genealogy sysops are putting the screws on them, and I think they are realizing the error of their ways! BTW - they didn't say "access denied", per se. They decided last February to take a "wait-and-see" attitude for 1 year. It was brought back up before the vox populi a few days ago, and I think they are seeing that the moratorium ain't gonna work! I anticipate that it will be allowed on PC by the end of the month. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 383 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 11/09/93 2:06a Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Patty-- PP> And thanks much! for this timely answer also. It's what had PP> me puzzled when folks were saying that the current software used the 16550 PP> while PC support was saying Not! Ok. So what version are you running as "current"? the 1009 one? Or have you received a later dated version? The one that is coming my way daily is still the 1009 one. Boyd keeps saying "in a few days". Well, when is that????? Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 384 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/09/93 2:08a Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tracy-- TM> It was never my intention to start a netmail annoyance campaign. Fido TM> politics is often annoying all by its self with out any help. I know. I hope you didn't think I was implying this, either.... I was just cautioning against getting their dander up more, since I had seen some "dander" in the genealogy echo about that netmail stuff. TM> On the other TM> hand, it doesn't get anybody anywhere if no one says anything hoping TM> they'll figure out we want the feed either. And this I agree with. I'm on their case in regard to the GSDS file areas. So are a LOT of other genealogy sysops, it turns out. I think people are going to realize real soon that they are making a B I G mistake in disallowing their areas on PC. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 385 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/08/93 6:56p Subj: SEENBYS. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > 3615/51 being our uplink computer. Please check all areas and remove > > it from your seenbys. > I've put this message in the echo to see if it has no seenby's. I took a > look in my control file and have removed that address from where it was > supposed to be. Please let me know if this situation continues. Well basically, since *we* all got your message then you must have this message area at least setup right. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 386 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/08/93 7:01p Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not > conformto Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions: > > .FRB > .FRC > > Is there any way to remedy this? FOR %%D IN (0000FFFF.*) DO PKUNZIP %%D RBBSMAIL See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 387 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/07/93 10:07a Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Hector, I'm running Novell with 24 EtherNet Stations, a Uart and BNU. Not one single problem, even when I spy on the systems remotely. Had to step up to a KU dish as used by the banks for data exchange though. Regards, Hans * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 Lines. 299-9900. logical.cuc.ab.ca (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 388 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/07/93 10:11a Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Hector, I'm running Novell with 24 EtherNet Stations, a Uart and BNU. Not one single problem, even when I spy on the systems remotely. Had to step up to a KU dish as used by the banks for data exchange though. All stations run 33/40 Mhz 386SX boards. Regards, Hans * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 Lines. 299-9900. logical.cuc.ab.ca (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 389 To: LAZ GOTTLI Date: 11/11/93 6:35p Subj: Eastern Standard Time Refer: 335 Read: NO Private: No -> Laz -> -> (this is my first full day running one here. I am a newbe!) ^^^^^ We all are - that's what makes it so neat :) tim moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 390 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/12/93 3:16a Subj: Backbone Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL> > So what's the story on this? I asked Boyd a week+ ago, but haven't TL> > received any response about this. TL>have to pick a moderator and post on the ZEC echo. Uh, Todd? Don't I recall Tim Helton being installed as Moderator? Dang, but my memory is going. ;-) TL> Then you have to get 25+ TL>nodes (NOT a problem) then get two region coordinators to ask for it (THAT TL>may be a problem since NO region coordinators that I know of are getting it TL>right now) Time will take care of that methinks. TL>Maybe George, Dave, and John S carry some weight for us then ;) Why, sure! One STAR should be worth half-a-dozen REC's, hummmm ??? --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 391 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/12/93 6:08p Subj: ELIST Refer: 373 Read: NO Private: No -> Is there a reason that Planet_Connect was restricted -> Planet_Connect systems only or was that an error? Check the ELIST The distribution of PLANET_CONNECT isn't restricted at all... When I added PLANET_CONNECT to the ELIST, I listed the distribution as "Any Planet Connect Site". As soon as we get on the Z1 BACKBONE, I'll change the verbage to "Z1 BACKBONE". Until then, chill. PLANET_CONNECT should be on the backbone here shortly.... Getting an echo on the backbone isn't a 5 minute/1 phone call deal. You have to convince the ZEC that's its worthy of backbone distribution - that usually takes several netmail messages which proves a "demand" for the echo. If *you* want to help out in this cause, send DAN BUDA (1:1/200) a polite netmail message requesting that PLANET_CONNECT be added to the backbone, with a copy forwarded to your region coordinator. I'm already doing this, but a few more requests from the users wouldn't hurt. -> so people can find out what is going on and stop posting about Sat -> downlink technology in every other echo in the universe (e.g.-TVRO -> What's everyone else think? I've already done this... Some moderators take exception to advertising *other* echos in *their* echos, so I have to post these "ads" in moderation. Sure, I could splatter up 10 zillion messages advertising this echo, but if I did the moderators may perceive us as imperialistic & threatening - taking away their users... We've got to be graceful in how we promote this thing and I'm doing the best I can. tim moderator Voice: 404-621-9210 FAX : 404-621-9122 Fido : 1:133/515 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LESTER Number: 392 To: THOMAS KINNEN Date: 11/11/93 10:22a Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No THOMAS KINNEN wrote in a message to MIKE LESTER: TK> Is you NEC running a dedicated dish? We are usually only TK> 12-20 hours behind what we would get if polling 5 times a TK> day. The small lag is worth the savings in phone calls. The NEC here has nothing to do with the dish, it is mine. i am furnishing the echos to the locals for free. funny, some are complaining BIG TIME about that too... --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Galaxy/Star Systems Satellite Data Services (1:170/10011) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 393 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/11/93 5:20p Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Well, I do you the *EC structure credit. They've done a wonderful job in the past. I don't know, however, about the dupes, ramming(what's that?) etc that they have to contend with... I was a mail relay for a long time, and I don't think it's any different - just a different set of sysops with higher or lower mail volumes. The process remains the same. Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 394 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/11/93 5:22p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > ps: your statement was in poor taste. Yup, it was. Sorry if I offended you. I thought it was appropriate at the time. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROGER BROWN Number: 395 To: MARK STENNETT Date: 11/11/93 1:31a Subj: FEED Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Who do I talk to about the specific hardware requirements to receive -> the signal? I would be more than happy to spend as much time as you (or anyone else) need to help you with your hardware requirements. I have installed several dishes, and have considerable knowledge of satellite communications. Roger Brown InterComm (702) 356-0622 Voice 1:213/830 --- FidoPCB v1.3 [ff097/x] * Origin: InterComm - 702-359-2666 - (1:213/830) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROGER BROWN Number: 396 To: RICHARD BASH Date: 11/11/93 5:41a Subj: C VS. KU VS. LATITUDE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Richard I will try to answer some of your questions. The ability to receive a perfect picture (or data signal) is based on the following. The signal strength of the satellite transponder, Your geographical location as satellites have distinct footprints (Ku-band even more so), signal gain of your dish, and the noise temperature of your LNB (Low Noise Block Amplifier), and the signal threshold of the receiver. In my experience the 2 most important factors in a sucessful installation is having a large enough dish and as low of a noise temperature LNB. When I started installing satellite systems the average noise temp was 115 degrees Kelvin with expensive LNB's rated at 100. Today you can buy reasonably priced LNB with 35 to 45 degree temps for under $200. I also suggest that if in doubt you buy the larger dish unless the installation (or zoning) restricts it's size. In your location an 10 foot dish with a 45 degree LNB should be more than enough, however I would listen to local installers, as they will have direct knowledge of the requirements for your area. A C band dish can use a KU-Band LNB on it. You can buy dual band feed horns to run both C and KU on the same dish. You may have problem with older "mesh" dishes as the perforated holes are too large for KU-Band. Any new dish you buy should have no problem. I have not seen that great of an increase in performance in buying a large C-band dish to run a KU-band system on it. As far as atmospheric conditions go KU-Band has a real problem with attenuation of the signal during rain and snow. Years ago I worked for the local NBC affiliate as an engineer. They were in the process of setting up the program feed via satellite. I saw many studies that were done. NBC wanted to make sure that *ALL* of the affiliates could receive broadcast quality pictures in all weather conditions. NBC did go KU-Band but they used 15 and 20 foot dishes for areas that had little or no rain and 30 foot dishes in rainy areas. My feeling is that unless you receive good local advice to go KU, stay away from it, as you receive quite a bit of rain. FYI I am using a C-Band system for planet connect. Feel free to contact me voice or Net Mail, if you have any other questions. I also suggest purchasing a book called "The Satellite TV Handbook" by Anthony T. Easton. ISBN 0-672-22055-5 It gives all the formulas for caculating system gain if you want to figure your requirements the "smart way". It also gives advice on how to avoid and combat "TI" Roger Brown InterComm (702) 359-2666 BBS (702) 356-0622 Voice (702) 356-0503 Fax 1:213/830 --- FidoPCB v1.3 [ff097/x] * Origin: InterComm - 702-359-2666 - (1:213/830) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 397 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 11/10/93 1:26a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave James wrote in a message to Eddie Rowe: DJ> Eddie Rowe wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their ER> FDN to flow? DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, DJ> with DVNET having the most extensive, of which I am a member DJ> since it's inception... If its on the filebone then it certainly isnt 'private' distribution....... DJ> Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards DJ> folks that can afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software DJ> package, and at least another $20,000 for the hardware, it DJ> has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO) Those prices are VERY exagerated....in particular the hardware price......I for one have several folks in engineering school that call here who are very disappointed that its not availible..... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 398 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/10/93 1:32a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dennis Powers wrote in a message to Tim Helton: ->> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$ ->> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's DP> But...But...But.... I do _give_ it to my net. TH> Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of TH> Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail TH> distribution in jeopardy. DP> The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in DP> the basket" problem. If my system crashes while I'm away DP> (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the net do then? It's DP> a valid argument. Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the -same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference? If the importing system goes down then folks wait for it to come back up......Doesnt matter if they were on PC or Ma Bell. As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business, stuff happens. DP> The current system in Net 141 is 14 people polling, 2 each DP> night, for mail from the stars then distrubuting it across DP> the net for free. My contribution to the effort is the DP> "other" echos not currently being polled for. So far it's DP> working quite well. I only supply a portion of the DP> available echos and most of them are fairly low to moderate DP> traffic. The system may change as others in the area link DP> into PC. Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and config watching for something that simply isnt that important. greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 399 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 11/10/93 11:51a Subj: one more thing... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Terry Blount: -> Perhaps you need FASTA20.sys... I does something to prevent ON> I TRIED THAT... It does do something for the ON> computer. Before I could never get Desqview to run on my ON> machine that runs the BBS. I installed that and DV would run ON> for about 20-30 minutes then puke. ON> If you have any *ANY* ideas let me know... All I can offer is what is working perfectly for me try this stuff in your config.sys: SHELL=C:COMMAND.COM /p /e:172 device=fasta20.sys DEVICE=QEMM386.Sys R:1 ON MAPS=6 HANDLES=40 RAM ST:M NW3 I=0400-0FFF (put this on the line above) x=0000-03ff dos=high,umb files=50 BUFFERS=15 fcbs=16,8 stacks=0,0 lastdrive=p --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 400 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 11/10/93 11:55a Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Terry Blount: -> be processed to build a tic file or a files.bbs ....I already have -> written a utility to take the info from File_id.diz and put it into -> the files.bbs format. ON> Well locally we are testing my RTP.EXE (Tic ON> Processor) that will read tic's and make DIZ's ... and/or ON> include the DIZ over the TIC description. It is currently in ON> Alpha Stages... I also wrote a program to build the .DIZ files and shove then inside the archive... however I didn't like the effect of changing the archive date when the new .DIZ file was added. In order to do it right such a program should set the date of the .DIZ file to the date of the archive and then shove it in with the -k parameter. Too much sugar for a dime... ON> information to the FOSSIL - Excellent for QWK mail doors ON> that shell to PKZIP and the user sits there wondering what ON> is going on! Humm... I have never seen a QWK door that did not tell the user that is was "preparing their download" or something like that. If you set up a ram disk and put pkzip in it and use the ram disk for your default QWK door work area it will prepare their download so fast that the user won't have time to read a message. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 401 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 11/10/93 12:01p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Terry Blount: -> In theory... and in many areas YES. But in MOST areas the bachelor -> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the compromise of marriage is -> perceived as a threat. ON> Locally we went threw that stage... the ending ON> result is finally starting to unfold in a happy honeymoon... Let me guess... you are going to spend your honeymoon bird watching rather than writing checks to your ma... <grin> --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 402 To: ED MARQUIS Date: 11/10/93 12:09p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dave James: > BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) > BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) > BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) > BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) > BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) EM> I wonder what the shareware authors would think of these FDN EM> administrators refusing a major distribution system like PC. EM> I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream. Perhaps a mose subtle way of phrasing this would result in less violence... <g> EM> Perhaps there EM> are people now receiving PC service that are close to the EM> top of some of these FDN's who could assist in letting EM> shareware authors know that PC exists. They need a phone number to upload their shareware to before this will do any good. Get Boyd to set up a shareware author's service and then we can beat the bushes and sell it. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 403 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/10/93 12:12p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Dave James: DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception... KJ> Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who KJ> are using DESQview, and with the advent of the new version KJ> supposedly supporting multitasking, it would be great to KJ> have access to the DVnet files!!!! Amen... count me in... The last cd I pressed has so few DV support files I just killed that directory and tossed them into the general DOS utilities. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 404 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/11/93 12:00p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dennis Powers wrote in a message to Ed Marquis: DP> With out all the gory details, there have been legal DP> precedents established in several states concerning the DP> shareware authors right in determining the distribution DP> channels his/her work may take. Several Shareware authors DP> have explicitly stated that they would seek legal redress DP> against the PDN (Janis) if their work was distributed via DP> the satellite system. I simply can't believe this... why would someone who writes shareware want to prohibit me from putting it on my board based on the method used to transfer it? What if they said they were only going to allow their programs to be transferred by MCI and anyone using Sprint or AT&T would be in violation of their "approved" distribution channels? Trying to prohibit satellite transmission vs. phone line transmission is same BS as trying to limit distribution to MCI. This is nothing more than the classical legal argument that a young lawyer named Abraham Lincoln was involved in when the steamboat company wanted to prevent another company from building a bridge across the river. When the case was tried Mr. Lincoln summarized the question clearly and simply... do people who want to cross over the river have the same right as people who want to go up and down the river.... the answer is of course they do. If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a copy of their work they don't have the right to tell me how I can get it. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 405 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/11/93 9:54a Subj: Missing Children's Gif's Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Is your system configured for *US* to hatch into the missing children's gif network? We have contacted our local media (6:00 news no less) about publicizing the satellite connection firstly, and secondly the BBS scene and their relationship. The *FIRST* thing they wanted to see was the missing children's gif network. As there has been no traffic for the past month or so, I would like to know if we can generate some traffic. If not through you then I guess I'll have to contact directly the following people. Heidi Search Center BBS FIDO 1:387/622 (210) 659-0235 Russell Coombs FIDO 1:2612/107 or RIME net This has the potential to get (local bbs's at least) in a *DAMN GOOD* light in the local public's eyes. With the rash of "adult" bbs's being raided, this is a VERY positive aspect and can generate press not only for us locally, but all PC sites around the US and Canada. We just have to be able to hatch out our own area's missing children's gif. Whether I can create them and hatch them directly, or send the necessary info to the two names above, I am in the process of finding out. This note is also being forwarded to the above two names. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 406 To: ALL Date: 11/11/93 8:33p Subj: GMD Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Who has it for freq? What file name? (v.32bis please). See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 407 To: RICK MISCAVISH Date: 11/11/93 8:35p Subj: OS/2 2.1ga Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hello, > What I'd like to know is, can you run the planet_connect software > under OS/2 2.1. Apparently not. Especially if you're going to be running something else with it. DV support is coming out real soon, bug them enough to add OS/2 support and it might become a reality very quickly. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 408 To: THOMAS KINNEN Date: 11/11/93 8:39p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > ML> The local NEC says the Planet Connect Echos are running 2 days > behindML> what they were normally used to getting thru the land lines. > can you > Is you NEC running a dedicated dish? We are usually only 12-20 hours We are not 2 days behind either. Usually 12-20 hours, just like you. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 409 To: RUDY HEHN Date: 11/11/93 8:43p Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > -> the machine running PC gets the query accross its NIC. It seems that > -> the network interface card's interrupts are seriously interfering > I get the same problem using Lantastic and I do have 16 bit cards. > PTCCMAIN is running on my server as it's the only machine with enough > free space. We do need a new version that's compatible with the 16550 > and SERVER. I threw together a 386SX with a mono monitor/card and an 8 bit arcnet card coming in through a 16550. I have no hard drive in the machine, which is a workstation and boots into the server from a floppy. I download to and process on the server's hard drive directly; all PC programs, mail processing, and file processing programs are on the server. Even got the thing running under DV in this setup (only got two megs of ram). What can I say except that it runs? See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEITH WINEKA Number: 410 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/10/93 7:54a Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> .FRB >> .FRC >> Is there any way to remedy this? > This is a new extended charactor set. If your tosser does not handle > the new format you will have to manually extract the ones with > extensions of A to Z. A batch file might also take care of this. By the way, still waiting on my info package. ;-) --- * Origin: The Outer Limits * 5.8 gigs * 614-772-5520 * (1:2220/10.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEITH WINEKA Number: 411 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/10/93 1:06p Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > You mean Windows... from that same fine company that brought us > edline? <g> I haven't had any difficulty in running ptccmain > from a DV window. I found that changing my tics to 1 and 1 > prevented that occasional error when changing windows. I > enabled my fifo with XU ... a program that is included with the > X00 fossil driver (XT port:?:ON) What sort of cpu are you running? --- * Origin: The Outer Limits * 5.8 gigs * 614-772-5520 * (1:2220/10.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 412 To: HECTOR MANDEL Date: 11/11/93 1:03p Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Hector, -> Hmmm...that's not Netware Lite you're referring to, right? I doubt -> it since you say you have 24 nodes. I'm running netware LITE and I -> think there is a definite difference. What do you think? Yes you are quite correct. NetWare LITE, alike Lantastic are LAN's using the DOS Kernel/operating system to access your (harddrive) data. DOS isn't very well suited for pseudo multitasking and some thruput improvement can be gained by a large amount of disk cache memory. Still all data has to be moved between the disk cache and the first meg of memory only directly accessible by DOS. I know of many systems that ground to a halt with 20 station online. NOVELL is quite different and you can consider it as a very smart harddrive at the end of your coax or twisted pair cable. Its only function is to serve and monitor data and can do it very effectively using all its available memory. NOVELL runs in real mode, thus it addresses its data memory immediatly up to 16MEG if you use an ISA based PC or up to 4GIG? if you use an EISA base PC for a Novell server. NOVELL doesn't use your DOS kernel at all for disk functions, but runs above it. Totally freeing up your DOS system at each station. Sum total, a much and much higher efficiency. I suggest to check the price of say a 5 or 10 station Novell system. You only pay the price once. By the time you reach 5 stations, you'll find out the a 5 station Novell system cost about the same as paying 5 time the cost for each station as under a LAN. I hope I made some sense, Regards, Hans * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 Lines. 299-9900. logical.cuc.ab.ca (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 413 To: KEITH WINEKA Date: 11/12/93 12:30p Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Keith Wineka wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > You mean Windows... from that same fine company that brought us > edline? <g> I haven't had any difficulty in running ptccmain > from a DV window. I found that changing my tics to 1 and 1 > prevented that occasional error when changing windows. I > enabled my fifo with XU ... a program that is included with the > X00 fossil driver (XT port:?:ON) KW> What sort of cpu are you running? I ran it for about a month on a 40 mhz 386..intel under DV then about a month ago I moved it to my 66 mnz 486 running under DV. If Boyd would only shorten those sessions so I could run it on a ram disc I would be delighted! --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 414 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/11/93 7:34p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 10 20:29>, Boyd Goodin writes: BG> Ok. Now heres my polling times for 396/1. At 6:00 am I poll. At BG>5 pm I poll. At 1:30 am I poll. Now all that gets sent to the BG>uplink at 5 am to be sent over the sat at 7:30 am. While it is BG>uploading I am still getting stuff from 396/1 on node 2 which BG>will go up in the following days mail. Some are a day old, some BG>are 12 hours old and some is 6 hours old. Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink. I'd rather get all of it an hour late, then some of it 24 hours later. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 415 To: ED MARQUIS Date: 11/11/93 6:40p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dave James: > BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) > BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) > BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) > BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) > BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) EM> I wonder what the shareware authors would think of these FDN EM> administrators refusing a major distribution system like PC. Small note for you.. It's because of the AUTHORS that the admins aren't going to the bird. Good news is, is that PDN is getting restructured (assuming there is no major objection) in such a way that the PDN no longer keeps an open-hatch policy (anyone can hatch into the network). She will be able to control which files get the bird that way, respecting the authors' wishes when they don't want to fly the friendly skies. EM> I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream. Perhaps there EM> are people now receiving PC service that are close to the EM> top of some of these FDN's who could assist in letting EM> shareware authors know that PC exists. They're WELL aware.. :-) If they weren't, PDN (as well as some others) would have never objected to the bird. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com ... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 416 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/12/93 5:58p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 11 12:00>, Terry Blount writes: TB> If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a copy of their TB>work they don't have the right to tell me how I can get it. Sounds simple to me. We just find out who those authors are and do a DEL on their programs. They want me to pay more for distributing their wares, I'll just refuse the display space. D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 417 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/12/93 6:01p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 10 19:37>, Dennis Powers writes: DP>Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they would seek DP>legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was distributed via DP>the satellite system. Please ask Janis who these shareware authors are. And have her advise them that we will no longer be providing them sales space on our system. If I'm not wrong, I think this is what's called 'politics'. :-) DP> 1) Open hatching must be discontinued in order to have tighter DP>control of the distribution channel that the files may take. Open hatching need no more be discontinued then open replies to echomail. All we have to do is set Boyd up with Raid or Allfix. DP> 2) A method of forwarding submissions to the PDN headquarters DP>must be established to allow for central hatching of the files. Not necessary, what they can't see is that PC is nothing more than a sophisticated MaBell.... MaBoyd... Ahem! PaBoyd if you will. Thanks Dennis, D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 418 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/12/93 6:11p Subj: PC SOFTWARE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 11 17:20>, Chris Wiesner writes: CW>Well, I do you the *EC structure credit. They've done a wonderful CW>job in the past. I don't know, however, about the dupes, CW>ramming(what's that?) etc that they have to contend with... Thanks much. We try. :-) "Ramming" is the word used by echomail terriorist when they dump hundreds of bogus messages into an echo. There has been quite a lot of that in the past few months. A few echos have been pulled from the backbone because of it. In this net along I've trapped in excess of 3000 bogus messages dumped on local boards and hubs. Secure operations have become a must. As well as software that "screens" for possible bogus messages. CW>I was a mail relay for a long time, and I don't think it's any CW>different - just a different set of sysops with higher or lower CW>mail volumes. The process remains the same. It's a lot more political today. Yeh we still pump mail, but also filebone stuff and routed netmail... and a lot more of it. To me there is a lot more involved in it then a few years ago. And where it used to be a hobby that people enjoyed, it has now become more of a business where sysops feel they have a right to and demand of echomail and files. If the mail is late, these people can get down right mean! We used to enjoy the hobby for the sake of what we could do with computers and modems, now it's the public interfacing provided by the conferences. And the transport media is becoming more of a public utility. Still there are those of us that enjoy it simply for the sake of being of service to others. :-) D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 419 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/12/93 4:48a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents > established in several states concerning the shareware authors > right in determining the distribution channels his/her work may > take. Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they > would seek legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was > distributed via the satellite system. I can't imagine why these shareware authors are concerned about distribution control when the FDN's are all so open to begin with. It would seem more logical to cut off a few hypersensitive shareware authors from distribution than to cut off a large number of potential distribution sites. PC Sites will, if anything increase the distribution possibilities of the various FDN's. It seems to me that wider distribution is "better" for Shareware authors. Do all Shareware authors have a "right" to PDN distribution in these several states? > Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer! Remember > that word: "volunteer". They collect, process, distribute, I understand this very well, being an echomail coordinator and distributor myself. > So, when there is a posibility of > legal action being taken, due to the way shareware is distributed, > it is in the FDN head's best interest to be cautious. No argument here! Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 420 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/12/93 7:54p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > EM> I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's > EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream. > Perhaps a mose subtle way of phrasing this would result in less > violence... <g> I didn't mean it literally of course <g> Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 421 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/12/93 7:53p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Interesting input about the shareware authors reluctance and litigation threats about distribution via PC. I guess I'm struggling to understand their (shareware authors) reluctance and what possible reasons they would have to sue over distribution of their software. Can you provide some additional insight into this? --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 422 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/12/93 7:06p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, > DJ> with DVNET having the most extensive, of which I am a member > DJ> since it's inception... > > If its on the filebone then it certainly isnt 'private' > distribution....... One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone. It's not (according to him). I was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it was on the filebone, but he assures me not. I dunno. > price......I for one have several folks in engineering school that call > here who are very disappointed that its not availible..... Ditto, myself included among those EE students that were looking forward to it. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 423 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/12/93 7:11p Subj: Backbone Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TL>Maybe George, Dave, and John S carry some weight for us then ;) > > Why, sure! One STAR should be worth half-a-dozen REC's, hummmm ??? I would think so :) Hey, that's an interesting tagline.... See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 424 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/12/93 5:57a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Dave James: KJ> Dave-- DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception... KJ> Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who KJ> are using DESQview, and with the advent of the new version KJ> supposedly supporting multitasking, it would be great to KJ> have access to the DVnet files!!!! You have access, all you have to do is FREQ them, or logon to the BBS(oh what fun that would be) <grin> Peter Stern is whom you would have to convince... Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star, TBBS ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 425 To: OZZ NIXON Date: 11/12/93 5:59a Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Ken Jackson: ON> Boyd and I are shocked but I am running the whole ON> inbound into a 286/20 with 4MB Ram and 2MB Cache on an old ON> ST251 (not the -I series). I am running with 8250's and no I wonder how he really feels, seeing as how I do it with a 8088/10mhz on a old 40meg segate mfm setup <g> Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star, TBBS ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 426 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/12/93 6:06a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Dave James: DJ> Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards DJ> folks that can afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software DJ> package, and at least another $20,000 for the hardware, it DJ> has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO) GS> Those prices are VERY exagerated....in particular the GS> hardware price......I for one have several folks in GS> engineering school that call here who are very disappointed GS> that its not availible..... How do you figure? autocad is $3,000 (software) and let's see, digitizer pad, oh another $400 for a nice one, now we get to the really nice toys that support it... how about a 20" monitor, thats oh $2500 or so, and then there is the plotter, say $15,000 for a decent one that does blue print sizes... is that close enough to the $20,000 mark yet or should I just keep going? I was referring to the 'real' autocad folks, not the ones that just futs around with it. Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star, TBBS ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL REEVES Number: 427 To: ALL Date: 11/12/93 4:35p Subj: Planet Connect Satellite Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No For those of you who are still a bit nervous (who isn't) about "satellite" I wanted to offer some reassurance. Two days ago my satellite receiver went down (faulty power supply). While that is not encouraging, I was very pleased with what happened next. Planet Connect 1)shipped out a new receiver promptly at no cost to me 2)during the two day shipment period (fastest I could get), I was able to poll all the mail packets from Planet Connect. They keep a 7 day supply of mail packets which can be gotten via phone if for some reason you miss several feeds in a row for some reason. Thus no mail was lost at all during the "down time". Nice job Planet Connect! --- WM v3.10/93-0334 * Origin: MIKE'S PLACE USR DS 16.8 (715 (1:238/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS KINNEN Number: 428 To: MIKE LESTER Date: 11/12/93 8:16p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Mike! In a message to Thomas Kinnen <11/11/93> Mike Lester wrote: ML> The NEC here has nothing to do with the dish, it is mine. i am furnishin ML> the echos to the locals for free. funny, some are complaining BIG TIME ML> about that too... That sounds like the story here also. Tom * WCE 1.10/2101 * Ultimate office automation: Networked coffee machines! --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0013] * Origin: Southern Sobhrach * Ft Myers, Fl * (813)277-1614 * (1:371/39) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 429 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/12/93 6:09p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the -> -same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference? -> If the importing system goes down then folks wait for it to come back -> up......Doesnt matter if they were on PC or Ma Bell. -> -> As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business, stuff -> happens. Actually Greg, the correct answer to this one is.... Somebody with access to the necessary control files calls Tennessee and downloads (FREQ's) the packets via Land line, then tosses and distributes them. I found this one out two weeks ago when my satellite went down with a dead modem. Turns out the problem wasn't the hardware, it was the idiot (ME) trying to retune and re-aim the dish. I don't know what I tuned into, but it wasn't G4 or anything remotely similar. NICE signal strength though. 3 days of downloading 6-9Mb at 14,400. Ouch. Now if we can just educate the PC users to give the correct answer to **C's when they ask about or object to Planet Connect. There IS a failsafe, let's teach people what it is. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff075/c] * Origin: The Viking's Cove, Trenton ON (613)394-5919 (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 430 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/12/93 11:01p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TB> Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Terry Blount: TB>-> In theory... and in many areas YES. But in MOST areas the bachelo TB>-> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the compromise of marriage is TB>-> perceived as a threat. TB>ON> Locally we went threw that stage... the ending TB>ON> result is finally starting to unfold in a happy honeymoon... TB> Let me guess... you are going to spend your honeymoon bird TB> watching rather than writing checks to your ma... <grin> hehehehe... that's good, Terry. and how goes the shotgun wedding in in your area? --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HECTOR MANDEL Number: 431 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/11/93 8:08p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 10 19:37>, Dennis Powers of 1:141/1135 writes: DP> Reasons for not allowing distribution: DP> With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents DP> established in several states concerning the shareware authors DP> right in determining the distribution channels his/her work may DP> take. Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they DP> would seek legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work DP> was distributed via the satellite system. DP> The current distribution channels of the PDN allow for open DP> hatching of all files. Using this type of topology does not DP> allow the FDN coordinator enough control of the hatchings to DP> prevent files (at the authors request) from being distributed via DP> the satellite system. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to post your remarks. On the other hand, it's too bad you left out "the gory datails." I can understand, the PDN coordinator's wish to avoid hastles from litigous shareware authors. What I don't understand is what possible reasonable objections the authors would have to their software being distributed via satellite. This just doesn't make any sense to me and I suspect it is because of my ignorance of some of those gory details. So could you please elaborate on some of these reasons? --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: Cloud Chamber BBS, LurkNET HUB 217-684-2081 (1:233/15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 432 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/12/93 7:58a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No *** Answering a msg posted in area PLANET_CONNECT (Planet Connect). Hello Dennis! 10 Nov 93, Dennis Powers writes to Ed Marquis: DP> Reasons for not allowing distribution: DP> With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents DP> established in several states concerning the shareware authors right in DP> determining the distribution channels his/her work may take. Which states? When were the cases in court? DP> Several DP> Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they would seek legal DP> redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was distributed via the DP> satellite system. Which authors? Why do they not want the largest possible potential sites for their software? What about other sites uploading to the PC feed after downloading the file from a PDN site? Something is not right here.. DP> The current distribution channels of the PDN allow for open hatching of DP> all files. Using this type of topology does not allow the FDN coordinator DP> enough control of the hatchings to prevent files (at the authors request) DP> from being distributed via the satellite system. It still does not make sense, given the legal nature of shareware.. DP> 1) Open hatching must be discontinued in order to have tighter control DP> of the distribution channel that the files may take. The open hatching DP> was/is one of the prime concepts of the PDN system. Changes of this type DP> don't come easy. The issue of absolute control has been discussed and the possible authentic reason for moves such as PDN has taken.. DP> 2) A method of forwarding submissions to the PDN headquarters must be DP> established to allow for central hatching of the files. This will DP> entail the coordination of the PDN "hubs" in the US and Europe to enable DP> the files to reliabily reach the PDN headquarters. It would seem to be easy to create AREA-NS (non-satellite) to allow feeding. I can't imagine that the problem is real! I can't imagine an author doesn't want his files getting to as many possible registrants as possible. It simply defies logic. DP> I fully understand you'rs and other's frustration concerning the DP> distribution of FDN's via the satellite system. It would be nice to "get DP> it all" from the sky in order to cut our costs. After all why else did we DP> subscribe to the system? But there are many other variables involved in DP> the distribution of the Shareware files, both legal and monetary. DP> Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer! If that is true, then your last sentence "both legal and monetary" makes no sense. DP> great deal of personal time in coordinating an FDN. So, when there is a DP> posibility of legal action being taken, due to the way shareware is DP> distributed, it is in the FDN head's best interest to be cautious. The Or simply not distribute that particular file. I just find it incredulous that it is REALLY an issue.. I note you are careful not to mention any details like specific states where legal action has taken place, specific authors that have a problem with this method of transmission so that someone can research the objections and verify if there is any real threat. DP> time and money it takes to fight even a frivolous suit would close the FDN DP> an wreak havoc with the FDN head's live. We live in a time where DP> litigation is the norm and, when $ are involved, as with shareware, even DP> volunteers who's motives are alrustic are not exempt. But something is not ringing true in your explanation here.. Can you tell us of any author that refuses to have his software transmitted via satellite, and why he would object, and how he considers it different than a phone feed to a bbs where anyone can call in and get it? It just doesn't make any sense. DP> I can assure you that all efforts are being made by the PDN to avail DP> itself of the new technology, I too, as coordinator of the BFDS FDN, am DP> taking a carefull approach to the Satellite feed, as it pertains to DP> file distribution. Time will tell it merits and/or drawbacks and in the DP> end the best method, both legal and logistic, will win out. Somehow this seems like a light side-stepping of answering the questions directly. As a shareware author, I would never consider limiting the methods that my software were sent out to prospective registrees.. That's the whole concept of distribution, ESPECIALLY shareware distribution. Again, I would ask for some specifics, so that we can research the alleged legal pitfalls, and see if it is 1%, 10%, 50% of PDN authors. If 1%-10%, it would seem very easy to correct, and I simply do not believe it could be more than that. Rick --- GoldED 2.40 --- QM v1.00 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-3638 (1:108/90.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 433 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/11/93 9:50a Subj: WHERE ARE YOU???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Chris Wiesner: CW> Ahem.... Incorporated. KJ> Maybe that's Canuck English?????? :-) Eh? Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 434 To: JOHN BURTON Date: 11/11/93 9:53a Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No john burton wrote in a message to Eddie Rowe: jb> If you mail proggie doesn't handle 'em correctly, try jb> POLYXARC... You might want to use a secured directory and do a: SPAZ <drive:>\<secured>\*.* *.pkt This will open up all your archives ready to process packets only. Then the extension to the archive would mean little. You passwording is in the packet or the session and not in the archive. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GLENN VERMETTE Number: 435 To: ALL Date: 11/12/93 9:08p Subj: New Node Getting This Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello All, The Smell Of Bacon II, in Shawnigan Lake, BC (Canada) is now picking up this echo with great interest. I have the information file for Planet Connect but have a lot of questions before I run out and buy a system (which I want to do soon). Can someone explain briefly to me the following: 1. The difference between KU and C...what is better? 2. Advantages/Disadvantages to using a 2foot dish or a 7 foot dish (or something in between) 3. Does the receiver just "plug in" to the back of your modem like a phone line, and can you still use your modem the conventional way to dial out and receive via land line? 4. Once the mail is received, do you still send all outbound traffic through a land line uplink? 5. Is it a reliable? 6. Any known disadvantages? That's it for now...got lots of reading to do in the meantime. Thanks... Glenn NEC Net 340 --- * Origin: The Smell Of Bacon II - Shawnigan Lake, BC CANADA (1:340/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 436 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/13/93 9:53a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Terry Blount: TB> Let me guess... you are going to spend your honeymoon bird TB> watching rather than writing checks to your ma... <grin> FF> hehehehe... that's good, Terry. and how goes the shotgun FF> wedding in in your area? In this case the bride still has not shown up. ...the groom is no longer waiting. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 437 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/13/93 9:54a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Terry Blount: DO> Sounds simple to me. We just find out who those authors are DO> and do a DEL on their programs. They want me to pay more DO> for distributing their wares, I'll just refuse the display DO> space. Someone has convinced a few shareware authors that it is not the quality of their program or how many people get the opportunity to test it that draws registrations but it is the "club" that they belong to. This in turn has resulted in many of them making invalid conclusions about various methods of distribution. I have written over 40 shareware programs and I feel it would be foolish to say that that you could have my program and then try to regulate the vehicle you used to acquire it. I do understand that if you got my program from Radio Shack and gave them $30 you would think you were paying for the program and would disregard any plea for registration. However if Radio Shack gave you my program and 5,000 more for $30 I would understand that they were not selling the shareware. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 438 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 11/13/93 10:27a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rick Ashworth wrote in a message to Dennis Powers: RA> As a shareware author, I would RA> never consider limiting the methods that my software were RA> sent out to prospective registrees.. That's the whole RA> concept of distribution, ESPECIALLY shareware distribution. My sentiments exactly. The only restriction I feel is valid is that my work isn't sold by someone else. If a distribution service was charging the end user $30 for my program alone then I would understand that the person would not likely feel compelled to register it. Anyone with a lick of sense would realize that combining several thousand programs for distribution for a modest price is not selling the software itself ...rather it is a trade off for the free advertising. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WILLIAM DEGNAN Number: 439 To: RICHARD BASH Date: 11/11/93 8:22a Subj: C vs. Ku vs. latitude Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tuesday November 09 1993, Richard Bash writes to All: RB> There is an element that says it won't work for Ku RB> reception at this latitude. I am hard pressed to accept RB> that argument. Can't speak directly to this. But do your own "informal" study. What's on the roof of gas stations in your city? Are they using 3-footers? RB> conditions (rain, drizzle, fog, snow). What is the RB> truth regarding Ku band frequency susceptibility to RB> such interference? I'm considerably South of you (Austin, TX) and so I'm shooting a higher angle with fewer raindrops in it. But I've only had problems with one very heavy "toad strangler" when the carrier was lost for about a minute. Of course, sometimes I forget to call the airport to ask them to switch runways while I bring in the mail... Seriously, occasionally a low aircraft will get in the way and a file will be errored out and thus not written to disk. I'll pick it up the next time around. No biggie. RB> Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer these RB> questions. Your response will aid in countering incorrect RB> arguments and "smoothing the way." Regards, Bill --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: Connect America - Austin, TX - 512 459-3351 (1:382/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WILLIAM DEGNAN Number: 440 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/11/93 8:45a Subj: ELIST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tuesday November 09 1993, Ken Jackson writes to Dan Williamson: DW>> What's everyone else think? KJ> Well, I've asked Tim and Boyd, and still haven't heard from either of them KJ> regarding what's going on with PLANET_CONNECT and backbone distribution. I checked the most recent elist. ---------- The International EchoList - Edition 311 as of: 1-Nov-93 Master Report TAG KEY ==================== ======== PLANET_CONNECT PLNCNNT Planet Connect Discussions and Support Planet Connect is a service which provides FidoNet sysops with a means of distributing data via satellites. This echo is devoted to the discussion of issues relating to this revolutionary technology. Origin: 1:133/515 Distribution: Any Planet Connect site Gateways: # Nodes: 100 Volume: 100/Week Flags: Moderators: Tim Helton, 1:133/515@fidonet.org Last changed: 31-Oct-93 by Tim Helton, 1:133/515@fidonet.org -------- I would take this to mean that backbone status has not been requested. There is no listing in fidonet.na or .no nor in fidostat.na. In the last 1200 messages there is no discussion of it in ZEC. But it does seem to be available at at least one of the regional hubs. Is this echo intended to be for P_C sysops only? Prospective customers as well? Anybody else? Regards, Bill --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: Connect America - Austin, TX - 512 459-3351 (1:382/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Number: 441 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/12/93 7:52p Subj: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi there, How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line come up by default? i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the status line showing. Anyone else want this? Ian --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Parity Error (1:353/250) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NICK ASHTON-HART Number: 442 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 11/11/93 1:56p Subj: Satellite Schedule Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Patty: Sunday October 31 1993 15:41, Patty Pickett wrote to Terry Blount: >> I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer. If you PP> Yes, I believe it has an 8k buffer. The buffer is 16 bytes. Nick CIS: 71754,212. Internet: Nick_Ashton-Hart@f335.n202.z1.fidonet.org --- * Origin: The Free Radical (FidoNet 1:202/335) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NICK ASHTON-HART Number: 443 To: GEORGE PEACE Date: 11/11/93 2:05p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello George: Tuesday November 02 1993 13:04, George Peace wrote to Todd Lyons: GP> Forwarding is something folks seem to like. But it It's essential in a file processor if you are a hub system for files. GP> The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly GP> dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of GP> violence. I enjoy using software. I even have some favorites. I dare say GP> I'd never consider dying over it. The specs on the allfix and file GP> manager programs look pretty neat. Actual mileage may vary. I find it interesting - read pathetic - that you'd make snide comments about allfix, George, considering that you 1) ignore bug reports made to you about software you write, and 2) Leave your software as beta for YEARS. Harald Harms doesn't give his software away, but he DOES support it and he DOES listen to his users when it comes to bugs AND feature requests. Nick CIS: 71754,212. Internet: Nick_Ashton-Hart@f335.n202.z1.fidonet.org --- * Origin: The Free Radical (FidoNet 1:202/335) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM HELTON Number: 444 To: WILLIAM DEGNAN Date: 11/14/93 7:23p Subj: ELIST Refer: 440 Read: NO Private: No -> Is this echo intended to be for P_C sysops only? Prospective customer -> Anybody else? Bill, I'm sorry this is causing you so much grief.... We're working on it. Until then, chill. tim moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 445 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/13/93 8:07p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> TB> If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a copy of their -> TB>work they don't have the right to tell me how I can get it. -> Sounds simple to me. We just find out who those authors are and do a DEL on -> their programs. Couldn't have stated it better myself. Anyone have a list???? --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff075/c] * Origin: The Viking's Cove, Trenton ON (613)394-5919 (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 446 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/13/93 12:28p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Greg! 10 Nov 93, Greg Shaffer writes to Dennis Powers: DP>> The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in DP>> the basket" problem. If my system crashes while I'm away DP>> (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the net do then? It's DP>> a valid argument. GS> Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the GS> -same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference? No. Actually there was only 2 "node numbers" that imported mail. And both from different sources. Let me explain how it works for only 1 node number: Each night a different person (1 of 7) would run a batch file that reconfigured his/her system to look like the Mail node number. They would poll the star for mail and when it was received forward the compressed Bundles directly to the Designated distribution node (or just toss depending on their location in the state). After receiving the mail the batch file would reconfigure their system to be their actual node number and continue operation. With this system 7 people shared the cost (which wasn't the main purpose) and if one system went down the person scheduled for the next night would jut pick up a double load. When more people volunteered to import mail we created a second node number and got a connection from a different source for different echos. This gave us 14 people (2 node numbers) of *very* reliable echo mail distribution. It has and does work very well. GS> As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business, GS> stuff happens. GS> Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and config watching for something that GS> simply isnt that important. Tell that to an "echomail-o-haulic" :-)) -><-Dennis --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 447 To: ALL Date: 11/13/93 1:01p Subj: A big change Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Here is a copy of a message from Janis Kracht to the PDN coordinators concerning the proposed changes in the PDN's policies. I will keep everyone posted as changes occur. -><-Dennis *** Answering a msg posted in area PDNECHO (PDNECHO). 10 Nov 93, Janis Kracht writes to All: JK> Contrary to some folks belief's that I have totally disregarded Planet JK> Connect's Satellite distribution of PDN files, I have been over the last JK> several months been working on this and considering the ramifications if JK> any, this type of distribution might have. JK> I have recently successfully concluded discussions with several authors JK> who have indicated to me in the past that they would take the PDN to court JK> if their files appeared on the Satellite (which is ME and my family, since JK> the PDN is not a corporation). JK> Please don't try to offer your opinion that it is riduculous to believe JK> that I'm in any legal jeopardy from satellite distribution of PDN files. JK> I've contacted enough lawyers to know that this legal jeopardy does exist. JK> Ray Kaliss's SDN resolves the problem of the SDN's (actually Ray's) legal JK> responsibility for distribution of files hatched in the SDN by requiring JK> authors to sign a document allowing the SDN to distribute their files by JK> whatever method the SDN chooses. Ray is able to do this because of the SDN JK> policy of single source hatching (Ray is the only one who can hatch files JK> into the SDN). The PDN policy of Open Hatching prevents me from exercising JK> the same form of legal protection and as such still precludes me from JK> allowing the PDN to be distributed via satellite. JK> In order for the PDN to be distributed via satellite, open hatching would JK> have to end in the PDN. Ending the PDN policy of Open Hatching will allow JK> me to develop the legal protection necessary for satellite distribution of JK> the PDN. JK> I'll develop some sort of backchannel file area that will flow through JK> designated points directly to my system so that all files proposed for JK> release in the PDN will end up here at 272/38 and then I'll process them JK> for release. JK> If there are no serious objections to this change I'll make the revisions JK> to PDN policy, begin the necessary steps to organize the backchannel, and JK> with those steps concluded authorize PDN distribution via satellite. JK> Janis JK> -+- Maximus 2.01wb JK> + Origin: 1:272/38 (914)344-0350 HST 1:272/100 343-7540 HST/V32b JK> (1:272/38) --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 448 To: ALL Date: 11/13/93 2:04p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello All! I knew I would be bombarded with mail from those who found it "incredulous", "hard to believe", simply "could not understand" or thought it "didn't ring true" as to why a shareware author would wish to prevent distribution of his product. The motives appeared to be financial and it is just a fact and one that must be dealt with. As for the legal precedents that have been set for a shareware author's control over distribution, the two states "I" am aware of that have set them, are New York and Connecticut. In both cases the suits did not involve FIDO net technology or the FDN's, but were involved in shareware CDRom and Disk packagers. If you are looking for the details I suggest you retain legal console because I am not an authority (by any means) or qualified to make further comment on the cases. As the BFDS FDN coordinator, I confered with a lawyer concerning the distribution of shareware and, was advised that because of these precedents; "...without a signed authorization, from the [author], waiving any rights to distribution [details of distribution omitted]... you could be subject to litigation, from the [author], seeking recomense for any profits that may result from the distribution of [product] due to the [authors's] inclusion on/in the [product]..." Because I am the "distributor" I could be subject to litagation if, someone to whom I have distributed the files, makes a profit because of the availablity of the author's work. I was also advised that a suit of this type (against me) would fail as long as I did not knowingly "contribute or conspire". Of course it would cost me $200.00 per hour to insure it's failure <G>. These are the facts as I know them. I can not debate the legal arguments (I paid a lawyer to find my exposure), nor will I. I can not name the authors who have prohibited satellite distribution (I don't know them). I can not speak directly FOR the PDN but as a PDN node, I will keep everyone informed of developments as they occur. "Patience" is the word for the day <G>. Thank you for listening -><-Dennis Powers BFDS (Batch File Distribution System) Coordinator --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 449 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/13/93 12:06p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink. I'd DO> rather get all of it an hour late, then some of it 24 hours DO> later. Excellent idea Dave. If we don't have an always current FIFO style file queue then perhaps get as much as possible that is as current as possible in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other constraints to consider? Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK HONEYCUTT Number: 450 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/13/93 12:00a Subj: The best equipment Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! 10 Nov 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Jack Honeycutt: >> So, if money was no object, what would you recomend? KU-Band or C? BG> A 30 foot C-band dish. No problems after that! ;-) BG> But in all I would go with a C-band. I feel the same. >> What do you think of dishes from Paraclipse, Cosmos, Unimesh and BG> ^^^^^^^^^^^ BG> My opinion, the best. Yea, We want a Paraclips, but can't swing the money so we may have to drop down in quality to a Orbitron S X 10 foot.... Jack --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Garden Pond BBS (503)735-3074 HST V Small (1:105/52) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK HONEYCUTT Number: 451 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/13/93 12:03a Subj: C VS. KU VS. LATITUDE Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Chris! 10 Nov 93, Chris Wiesner writes to Jack Honeycutt: >> languague I can understand, KU-band wavelengths are so small (4 >> GHz?), they can travel through poorly designed mesh antennas and are >> absorbed by raindrops. C-Band (12 GHz) is bigger and not as easley CW> You got it roughly backwards. KU band is higher frequency, which is CW> inverse in actual size. Yes. See my other post. I did not have enought coffee that morning and when I read what I wrote, I saw the error.... Thanks Jack --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Garden Pond BBS (503)735-3074 HST V Small (1:105/52) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK HONEYCUTT Number: 452 To: ROGER BROWN Date: 11/13/93 12:08a Subj: THE BEST EQUIPMENT Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Roger! 11 Nov 93, Roger Brown writes to Jack Honeycutt: ->> So, if money was no object, what would you recomend? KU-Band or C? RB> It depends on several factors. Ku-Band dishes suffer more from RB> atmospheric conditions (attenuation). If you live in an area that RB> receives a lot of rain or snow you may want to go C-Band. Thanks for all tha good information Roger. I saw your post to Richard Bash and I hope you don't mind if I call you voice sometime. We are trying to decise the Ku vs C-band question and are looking for feedback. Thanks Jack --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Garden Pond BBS (503)735-3074 HST V Small (1:105/52) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK HONEYCUTT Number: 453 To: MIKE MCKEE Date: 11/13/93 7:03a Subj: transmission errors Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Mike! 30 Oct 93, Mike Mckee writes to all: MM> I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are complaining MM> about getting errors on files, especially on Ku. MM> There is just simply NO reason for it. If you will look at the tag line of people you are talking to, you might see that, unlike you, thay are not setting under a good, strong satellite footprint like you are. Some of us are way out. Pick up any TVRO, or Ku book and read a little. Jack --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Garden Pond BBS (503)735-3074 HST V Small (1:105/52) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HARRY MOYLES Number: 454 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/13/93 8:50p Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry.. Any chance you can write a program which would take the diz's out of the zip files and put the discription into the files.dir for TBBS. Dizman is the best I seen for files.bbs but no one has written one for TBBS.. Hint Hint. Oh you noticed I got it to send to 1:3615/50 ok.. Oh sorry to get you out of the shower..ha ha ha.. Later harry.. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: The Evans BBS,4 Nodes,1 Satellite Dish,616-754-6180 (1:2390/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 455 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/13/93 6:52p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > In a msg on <Nov 10 20:29>, Boyd Goodin writes: > > BG> Ok. Now heres my polling times for 396/1. At 6:00 am I poll. At > BG>5 pm I poll. At 1:30 am I poll. Now all that gets sent to the > BG>uplink at 5 am to be sent over the sat at 7:30 am. While it is > BG>uploading I am still getting stuff from 396/1 on node 2 which > BG>will go up in the following days mail. Some are a day old, some > > Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the 6am poll to > John is processed for that days uplink. I'd rather get all of it an > hour late, then some of it 24 hours later. WOW! GOOD IDEA!! BOYD! If it's at ALL possible, this would be a MUCHO better solution than anything else that I've seen so far. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 456 To: ED MARQUIS Date: 11/13/93 6:59p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I can't imagine why these shareware authors are concerned about > distribution control when the FDN's are all so open to begin with. The EXACT reason (as posted in the ZEC echo) is that there are a lot of people that don't like the $10 distribution charge. If Boyd would have charged $30 per node PERIOD, then we could advertise it as a suitable substitution for a $200+ phone line. HOWEVER, with that $10 distribution charge, some claim that it is no longer comparable to a telephone line because MaBell doesn't care whether or not we distribute what we pull in to other nodes. Hell, myself, I think Boyd should have never said $30 per node. Should have put everybody on a flat rate of $40 per month and be done with it. Would have saved him quite a bit of paperwork. FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality check. > distribution sites. PC Sites will, if anything increase the > distribution > possibilities of the various FDN's. It seems to me that wider > distribution is "better" for Shareware authors. Agreed. But they can't see past the $10 issue to see the benefits they would reap. The best argument I have seen is this (capture from the ZEC echo) I simply can't believe this... why would someone who writes shareware want to prohibit me from putting it on my board based on the method used to transfer it? What if they said they were only going to allow their programs to be transferred by MCI and anyone using Sprint or AT&T would be in violation of their "approved" distribution channels? Trying to prohibit satellite transmission vs. phone line transmission is same BS as trying to limit distribution to MCI. I would think that this is the BEST argument I have ever seen for PC and its file distributions. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 457 To: NICK ASHTON-HART Date: 11/13/93 9:18p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I find it interesting - read pathetic - that you'd make snide > comments about allfix, George, Which comments? This one, which rings true even today: >GP> dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of >GP> violence Or this one, which I meant as nothing less than a compliment: >GP> The specs on the allfix and file manager programs look pretty neat. > considering that you 1) ignore bug reports made to > you about software you write, and 2) Leave your software as beta for > YEARS. I continue to be comfortable that raid and areafix are worth every penny you paid for them. Noone ever forced you to use programs like areafix and raid, did they? You should have the freedom to choose the software you love and bash the software you hate. I'm actually pleased that you've found programs you like better and someone willing to take your money. We all come out winners. take care... --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE JAMES Number: 458 To: TIM HELTON Date: 11/14/93 10:39a Subj: ELIST Refer: NONE Read: 11/15/93 4:34p Private: No Tim Helton wrote in a message to Dan Williamson: TH> PLANET_CONNECT should be on the backbone here shortly.... TH> If *you* want to help out in this cause, send DAN BUDA TH> (1:1/200) a polite netmail message requesting that TH> PLANET_CONNECT be added to the backbone, with a copy TH> forwarded to your region coordinator. I'm already doing TH> this, but a few more requests from the users wouldn't hurt. No, actually, send it to your NEC and REC to have them make formal requests to have it added to the backbone... I believe 3 RECs have to request it before it will be accepted... Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: ─═[ 'dBest' Western Star, TBBS ]═─ (1:209/209) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 459 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/14/93 8:45p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL>One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a TL>misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone. It's not (according to him). I TL>was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it was on the TL>filebone, but he assures me not. I dunno. Look at your FILEBONE.NA and look at the FLAGS field....Only "!" and "." seem to be officially on the FileBone -- I am still trying to figure out if SDN is there or not... Very confusing since FIDONET.NA is JUST what's on the Backbone...Wish Boyd would share exactly what areas we're supposed to be able to get. --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 460 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/14/93 10:49p Subj: Re: Os/2 2.1ga Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > With OS/2 for Windows pricing at $50, a whole lot more persons are going > to > be joining the OS/2 family...Oh Boyd??? 8-) Well i am not sure if the software will work under OS2. One thing I do know is that the "LOCK" will not work. I talked to the company that makes them they said it worked under OS2 2.0 but not under 2.1 and IBM wont tell tehm what they changed so that Aztec could make changes to support the 2.1 version. YOu might want to tell IBM to give them a hand or at least tell them what they changed. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 461 To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Date: 11/14/93 11:10p Subj: Re: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hi there, > How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line > come up by default? i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the > status line showing. Anyone else want this? The next version will have support for the 16550 and also an automatic status. The status line will pop-up after about 5 seconds. This will all be controlled by the INI file. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 462 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/14/93 11:14p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the > DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink. I'd > DO> rather get all of it an hour late, then some of it 24 hours > DO> later. > Excellent idea Dave. If we don't have an always current FIFO style file > queue then perhaps get as much as possible that is as current as possible > in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other > constraints to consider? I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 463 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/14/93 10:59p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a copy of > their work they don't have the right to tell me how I can get > it. Very good! I agree wholeheartedly. However, we still need to 'convince' them. Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 464 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/14/93 11:06p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > (according to him). I was under the impression that if it was in > FILEBONE.NA then it was on the filebone, but he assures me not. I > dunno. Todd, It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several areas which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best interest to prepare a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is give a list of current FDN's being served by satellite. I simply cannot fathom their reasoning for being so reluctant, and am beginning to run out of patience with them. (so I'll bite my tongue). Are we not ultimately doing this for them? Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 465 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/14/93 11:16p Subj: IS IT JUST ME? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd. Is it just me...? I had 20 or so .SDN and .SDA files sitting in my inbound without their associated .TIC files. This is second time in about a month. What gives? --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 466 To: JACK HONEYCUTT Date: 11/14/93 5:46p Subj: transmission errors Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > 30 Oct 93, Mike Mckee writes to all: MM> I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are MM> complaining about getting errors on files, especially on Ku. MM> There is just simply NO reason for it. > If you will look at the tag line of people you are talking to, > you might see that, unlike you, thay are not setting under a > good, strong satellite footprint like you are. Yes indeed Jack. I guesstimate that I am about 4000 miles west and 500 miles north of Mike's hometown.....! Add 150 miles further to the west and that is where Dan Williamson lives....! As a matter of fact he lives so far out west that he can see them surfing in Hawaii on a clear day.....! :-) Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 467 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/14/93 1:43p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Wednesday November 03 1993, Terry Blount writes to Foxy Ferguson: Hello Terry! TB> Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local net at TB> my subscription cost and they didn't take me up on it... they TB> first have to "study the feasibility." One sysops calculated TB> that the $40 cost divided by the number of conferences came out TB> to 25 cents per conference and since he wanted only 3 TB> conferences he decided he should pay 75 cents a month... they TB> were also afraid that lightening would strike my dish or that TB> satellite technology was so "new" that it wasn't reliable... TB> they are holding out for the new phone system that will deliver TB> data at 64 k a second and save them money ...which is due to TB> become available in our area in about 15 short years. start your own Cost Recovery plan based on a flat rate of 5 bucks for everything..files and messages. work a deal with some friend-sysops to help you move the mail and to hell with your net's pencil necked geeks. If you've ever read Z1-election, it has been ruled by the Z1C that you are at complete liberty to get your mail and distribte that mail from/to anyone you please at whatever rate you please. Leave those morons in the dust with this new techonology. Our net here in Vancouver has grasped it with both hands and the flat rate to each node is now only $2.50 for all message areas and file areas. Can't beat that at all! :) Cheers, Ken ...And today will go down in history as Sunday November 14 1993 --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 468 To: BILL WALTON Date: 11/14/93 3:01p Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Friday November 05 1993, Bill Walton writes to All: Hello Bill! BW> There were some bundles came in awhile back BW> ken.1, ken.2 etc BW> what are they ? <grin> Boyd was very kind to break up and resend a 2 meg mail bundle cuz it never managed to come in here in one piece. "BOYD...YOU RULE!" <smile> Cheers, Ken ...And today will go down in history as Sunday November 14 1993 --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BERT KENNEDY Number: 469 To: RA FANS Date: 11/10/93 6:13p Subj: HQ Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello RA! FYI RADIST HQ has requested that they be deleted from the PC system. I am in disussion with HQ 135/71 but she was willing to make all those connected to me for distribution get another connect and I am the one who was feeding the Filebone for Her...O Well seems logic is not a part of these folks process more ego and pride. One question they have yet to answer is WHY??????????? <of course we all know why> Said wanted control? I said Why send to filebone then..Answer Hmmmmm..... Second question...They should have asked first. Responce Why if anyone can get them without permission from Filebone? Answer Hmmmmm...Just cause. O Well now 35 system are looking for phone connects to RADIST and 2 of then are from overseas..Geezz when will they wake up!!! Bert --- Fmail.096/RA+ Registered * Origin: ----> Default GoldED Origin <---- (1:3648/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 470 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 11/14/93 6:31p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rick Ashworth wrote in a message to Dennis Powers: I was holding myself back, but the following was too much.. DP> I fully understand you'rs and other's frustration concerning the DP> distribution of FDN's via the satellite system. It would be nice to "get DP> it all" from the sky in order to cut our costs. After all why else did we DP> subscribe to the system? But there are many other variables involved in DP> the distribution of the Shareware files, both legal and monetary. DP> Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer! RA> If that is true, then your last sentence "both legal and RA> monetary" makes no sense. Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby". She DOES have to see lawyers etc. When you get a notice that somebody is going to take you to court for going against the distribution license, you tend to take them quite seriously. Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money defending her hobby over legal bull in court, it was in her best interests to see a lawyer, and find out how far they CAN go. ESPECIALLY since the PDN project is a volunteer effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making money on. Imagine that.. spending money to defend your legal right to pursue your hobby where you help others out for free. Where DON'T you see the "both legal and monetary" issues involved in this volunteer setup? My reply probably would have never been written except for such a negative attack you place on her, whether you realize it or not. Organizations _will_ come around. Until then, at least respect the fact that they're footing the bill to take care of protecting their family to promote free trade of source and programming related utilities, and just don't want to go to court over it. RA> Or simply not distribute that particular file. I just find RA> it incredulous that it is REALLY an issue.. I note you are Follow the PDNECHO. You'll find she is working on reorganizing to where she CAN do this. RA> careful not to mention any details like specific states RA> where legal action has taken place, specific authors that RA> have a problem with this method of transmission so that RA> someone can research the objections and verify if there is RA> any real threat. Screw "real threat". If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, fine, he gets limited distrubition. The way I take your message, if they have a distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"? RA> But something is not ringing true in your explanation here.. RA> Can you tell us of any author that refuses to have his If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or netmail. You're asking people who have third party information. -- Intelligent replies can be posted here; flame via netmail/email. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com --- * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RIC WALSH Number: 471 To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Date: 11/15/93 4:46a Subj: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Ian! Friday November 12 1993 19:52, Ian McLaughlin wrote to Boyd Goodin: IM> Hi there, IM> How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line IM> come up by default? i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the IM> status line showing. Anyone else want this? I'd second this request. I'd like to see a second "switch" which would blank all but the status lines. Old monochrome monitors tend to get burned in after long exposure to the same screen. Ric --- D.M.U.G. BBS Dayton OH * Origin: DMUG BBS Dayton,OH (1:110/69) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 472 To: HARRY MOYLES Date: 11/14/93 7:38p Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Harry Moyles wrote in a message to Terry Blount: HM> Hello Terry.. HM> Any chance you can write a program which would take the HM> diz's out of the zip files and put the discription into the HM> files.dir for TBBS. Dizman is the best I seen for files.bbs HM> but no one has written one for TBBS.. Hint Hint. Oh you I probably already have it written. Post a short sample of the format for TBBS files.bbs and make a few comments on how it handles the extended description lines. If you want to manually do it with a text editor this command will build 90% of it: PKUNZIP * /C *.DIZ >> DIZ Just edit the "diz" file and append it to your files.bbs. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 473 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/15/93 10:12a Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Chris Wiesner wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a copy of > their work they don't have the right to tell me how I can get > it. CW> Very good! I agree wholeheartedly. However, we still need to CW> 'convince' them. It is my guess that _registrations_ would go a long way in doing that. We all should register the programs we use and as people in positions of influence we should _strongly_ encourage everyone else to do likewise. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 474 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/15/93 10:14a Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Terry Blount: TB> Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local net at TB> my subscription cost and they didn't take me up on it... they TB> first have to "study the feasibility." KK> start your own Cost Recovery plan based on a flat rate of 5 KK> bucks for everything..files and messages. work a deal with KK> some friend-sysops to help you move the mail and to hell KK> with your net's pencil necked geeks. It is human nature to avoid pain and seek pleasure... the pain of being labeled as a trouble maker (for converting local sysops to join my net) would be greater for me than the pain of paying the Planet Connect subscription fee all by myself. ...the story continues... the local net lost its feed last week and has been calling all over the country trying to locate and pickup the mail they were normally getting... what an irony... most of it is deleted from my disc daily... and most likely they will end up getting some of their old mail from someone who has picked it up from Planet Connect KK> Our net here in Vancouver has grasped it with both hands and KK> the flat rate to each node is now only $2.50 for all KK> message areas and file areas. Can't beat that at all! :) It would cause these local guys more pain to "ween" themselves from the land lines than the extra $100 they are giving to Ma Bell every month. DON'T ask me why... I haven't a clue. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RALPH LOBIANCO Number: 475 To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Date: 11/15/93 7:20a Subj: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line -> come up by default? i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have -> the status line showing. Anyone else want this? I'd like it, I even suggested the same thing, But I'd also want the Watch /W command, Beets looking at that Planet Connect Screen <Grin>. Ralph --- QScan v1.02b * Origin: The STUDIO - Over 70,000 files, 8 Gigabytes (813)862-8850 (1:3619/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TONY HONAKER Number: 476 To: ALL Date: 11/15/93 11:52a Subj: Connect problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting with PC sending mail back. I run the following: Intermail 2.25 USR DS 16,800 (latest chipset) I get the following: 10:37:45 Mail Server ID#: 001 + 10:37:45 Event 0-@ 10:37:45 Using: ROUTE.IM : 10:37:45 #4 to 1:3615/50: on Hold, cost too high/low - 10:37:45 Preparing outbound mail + 10:42:29 Calling Skyboard, 1:3615/50, 1-615-623-8111 = 10:42:59 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS 10:43:00 Waiting for line to settle down 10:43:00 Attempting to establish mail session 10:43:01 Sending EMSI handshake packet ? 10:43:33 No handshake acknowledgement received ? 10:43:33 EMSI handshake failure (sending) 10:43:33 Terminating call I get this almost all the time.. I have even got PC system sending X modem.. I don't understand why.. I hook up and run with everyone at good speeds but have problmes with PC. --- WM v3.10/91-0178 * Origin: BlueWater BBS Catch the (1:160/260) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TONY HONAKER Number: 477 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/15/93 6:13p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> start your own Cost Recovery plan based on a flat rate of 5 bucks for -> everything..files and messages. work a deal with some friend-sysops t -> move the mail and to hell with your net's pencil necked geeks. If yo -> read Z1-election, it has been ruled by the Z1C that you are at comple -> to get your mail and distribte that mail from/to anyone you please at -> rate you please. Leave those morons in the dust with this new techon -> net here in Vancouver has grasped it with both hands and the flat rat -> node is now only $2.50 for all message areas and file areas. Can't b -> at all! :) Just blow them out of the H20. If they can't tell a good deal then just smile real big. --- WM v3.10/91-0178 * Origin: BlueWater BBS Catch the (1:160/260) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS BEAL Number: 478 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 8:12p Subj: Testing 1 2 3 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi! Just a test of my origin lines and etc... How do things look on your end? Thomas --- GEcho 1.01+NOMORETG! * Origin: Earth Station Alpha * Co Springs, CO * (719) 636-8979 (1:128/135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 479 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 2:03p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > The EXACT reason (as posted in the ZEC echo) is that there are a > lot of people that don't like the $10 distribution charge. If > Boyd would have charged $30 per node PERIOD, then we could > advertise it as a suitable substitution for a $200+ phone line. I've seen complaints such as this in a couple of the regional echoes. Some are saying that the $10 surcharge (if you will) makes it appear that PC is charging for the "data" rather than the service. Along with this comes all the discussion about Fido not allowing nodes to profit from echomail. I must say that the people doing the talking have a valid complaint in this regard. If Fido lets one entity charge over and above the cost of transmission, it must allow all distribution systems to do the same if they like. I agree that PC should change the rate to a flat rate regardless of whether the site will be re-distributing or not. That should put to rest the issue of a Fido system making a profit on echomail. It would be very difficult to argue that PC isn't charging strictly for the service (transmission) at that point. To me, it doesn't matter what they do as long as they continue to provide their excellent service. Our net is saving money and there have been ZERO complaints. How can you complain when you have three times the echomail at the same cost. I guess there is always someone out there who'll complain even if you delivered it to them for free. Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 480 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 6:09p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Sunday November 14 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Dan Williamson: Hello Boyd! BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even BG> 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink. I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then gotta get it out the door to the nets distribution hubs so they can process it and move it on to the other hubs..all that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner; Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt really get fully delivered till late evening or beyond. The idea is to get the mail through as soon as possible which means as early in the day as possible (in my mind anyways) Peanut gallery Cheers, Ken ...And today will go down in history as Monday November 15 1993 --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 481 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/11/93 11:44p Subj: Canuk English... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Chris-- >>>> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) >> >CW ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>CW> Ahem.... Incorporated. >> >> Maybe that's Canuck English?????? :-) CW> Watch you tongue, laddy! Look in the dictionary. Maybe you need an english CW> lesson? --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) I STILL say it must be Canuk English........ Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 482 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/11/93 11:48p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dennis-- CW>> Hmmmm, wonder what she's like in bed...[sheepish grin] DP> ps: your statement was in poor taste. I thought so, too. Glad someone spoke up about it. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 483 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/11/93 11:49p Subj: DVnet Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd-- TL> I have already talked to Peter Stern and he was very nice and said that TL> access to it would not be relinquished to PC simply because he wants to TL> control it. It doesn't get any simpler or more honest than that. Awwwww, shucks. I figured something like that....... Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 484 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 6:00a Subj: GMD Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Who has it for freq? > > What file name? GMD_310.ZIP (182k) HST DS 16k8 from me at 1:380/5. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 485 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 6:07a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it > was on the filebone, but he assures me not. I dunno. Apparently you, and others, have never taken the time to actually *read* the filebone.na header where it explains the various flags and keys in use in that file, Todd. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 486 To: GEORGE PEACE Date: 11/15/93 6:13a Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly > dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of > violence. George, I can't believe the above quote came from *your* keyboard! Your comment is really beneath you. :( --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 487 To: HARRY MOYLES Date: 11/15/93 6:15a Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Any chance you can write a program which would take the diz's out of the > zip files and put the discription into the files.dir for TBBS. Dizman Harry, admittedly I don't know much about TBBS's file formats, but at the risk of being labelled an extremist you might evaluate Allfix and see if it will perform with TBBS. --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM OXFORD Number: 488 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 12:10p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other > > constraints to consider? > > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the > sat at 9 am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we > still have to modem that to the uplink. > I personally would rather have the hour or two delay and get everything from all systems prior to doing the uplink. I also like the order that you send it down in now, as I told you in another message. I also appreciate the way you have been working to improve the system, and being open to new suggestions. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Torii Station TBBS 150,000 Files @14 Gig (1:147/20) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 489 To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Date: 11/15/93 8:10a Subj: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hi there, > How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line > come up by default? i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the > status line showing. Anyone else want this? I've got a little utility that stuffs two carriage returns in the keyboard buffer that will do this for you. Let me know if you (or anybody else) is interested. I don't have the original archive avail but I can make the program available. Stackey is the name... See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 490 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 11/09/93 5:11p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > BG> PDN 272/38 Janis Kracht (Access denied) > BG> Genealogy 18/230 John Grove (Access denied) > BG> dvnet 355/38 Peter Stern (Access denied) > BG> cadnet 116/32 Stan Bimson (Access denied) > BG> ansinet 116/29 KevFraggle (Access denied) I wonder what the shareware authors would think of these FDN administrators refusing a major distribution system like PC. I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's and blow the old ones out of the bitstream. Perhaps there are people now receiving PC service that are close to the top of some of these FDN's who could assist in letting shareware authors know that PC exists. Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 491 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/09/93 7:46p Subj: ELIST Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dan-- DW> What's everyone else think? Well, I've asked Tim and Boyd, and still haven't heard from either of them regarding what's going on with PLANET_CONNECT and backbone distribution. Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 492 To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND Date: 11/09/93 7:47p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Rudolf-- RR> To your credit, I appreciate the call you made to make things right RR> on Sunday morning. Thank you for taking the time to call to give me the RR> proper codes and to tell me that you were changing the "crippled RR> software" problem to a much better solution. I know how you felt, as I'm sure we *all* felt a little ticked off about it. However, I know that Boyd had a reason for doing it, and he already had a plan in place to correct it. Trouble is, I guess Boyd and Co. are so inundated with the success of PC that they "forget" to clue us all in on what is going on. If they would just let us know about these things in advance, then we all wouldn't be freaking out about it.... RR> I'm sorry I got pissed off, and I apoligize. Thanks for making it RR> right. And I'm glad you apologized. I was quite surprised to see someone go off on him like that, to be honest!!!! Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 493 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/09/93 7:53p Subj: WHERE ARE YOU???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Chris-- >> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50) CW> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CW> Ahem.... Incorporated. Maybe that's Canuck English?????? :-) Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 494 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 11/09/93 7:56p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave-- DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception... Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who are using DESQview, and with the advent of the new version supposedly supporting multitasking, it would be great to have access to the DVnet files!!!! Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 495 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/09/93 5:30p Subj: SEENBYS. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Well basically, since *we* all got your message then you must have > this message area at least setup right. Sure looks that way, huh? Thanks for the feedback. Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 496 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/09/93 10:33p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hold off on hexing GSDS(genealogy). Us genealogy sysops are putting > the screws on them, and I think they are realizing the error of > their ways! BTW - they didn't say "access denied", per se. They > decided last February to take a "wait-and-see" attitude for 1 year. > It was brought back up before the vox populi a few days ago, and I > think they are seeing that the moratorium ain't gonna work! I > anticipate that it will be allowed on PC by the end of the month. I had some choice netmails with John Le Duc, the co-ordinator for GSDS (John Grove is co--co-oridinator), and he thought I was trying to intimidate him via netmail. So I moved my requests for information to the genealogy echo. I had a violent response from some dude in FL, but I think I brought him to see the light. Take a look in the gensysop echo, as I'll be stirring the pot there too. I'me really tired of paying LD for files when the dish sits there begging for more action...;-) Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 497 To: DAVE JAMES Date: 11/09/93 10:35p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > PDN is adamant about it, total control is what she wants. Hmmmm, wonder what she's like in bed...[sheepish grin] --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OZZ NIXON Number: 498 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/09/93 12:28p Subj: one more thing... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Perhaps you need FASTA20.sys... I does something to prevent -> double calls that ...with a fast 486 system causes problems. Heck I wish I -> could find those docs... it has helped me -> tremendously because I NEVER have lockups since I installed this prog in my -> config.sys I TRIED THAT... It does do something for the computer. Before I could never get Desqview to run on my machine that runs the BBS. I installed that and DV would run for about 20-30 minutes then puke. I sat down reading ever .TEC file I could find on QEMM & DV to see if maybe there was something else to make things even smoother... but I have not gotten DV to run stable longer than 30 minutes. :( (So I am back to windows)... If you have any *ANY* ideas let me know... I enjoy running windows to show people it can work, but the only flaw is FrontDoor 2.02 <-> 2.20 will not run in multiple windows... they take over the ticks when waiting for a call, and yep - I tried the FORCEDMPI AND FORCEINT28 etc.. (For Frodo)... Ozzman... --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: SATELLITE DISH/REGION 18/NODE 201/PCBOARD/WHAT ELSE? (1:362/201) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OZZ NIXON Number: 499 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/09/93 12:34p Subj: NEW FILE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> This can be made so simple... the author is required to place a -> file_id.diz description - with the description THEY want to be used - -> inside the archive and upload it ... no matter what kind of program it -> is... or send it like a file request. The description info can then -> be processed to build a tic file or a files.bbs ....I already have -> written a utility to take the info from File_id.diz and put it into -> the files.bbs format. Well locally we are testing my RTP.EXE (Tic Processor) that will read tic's and make DIZ's ... and/or include the DIZ over the TIC description. It is currently in Alpha Stages... I have even added the theory of "PCUTIL CHECKx" since it has bombed out on me twice in under 30 days, I just incorporated it into my tic'er... I got PKZIP source code and have been working on making RTP self-contained. Plus I am releasing my revision to ZIP (still compat with PK!) that actually outputs the information to the FOSSIL - Excellent for QWK mail doors that shell to PKZIP and the user sits there wondering what is going on! Ozzman... --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: SATELLITE DISH/REGION 18/NODE 201/PCBOARD/WHAT ELSE? (1:362/201) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OZZ NIXON Number: 500 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/09/93 12:36p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> In theory... and in many areas YES. But in MOST areas the bachelor -> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the compromise of marriage is -> perceived as a threat. Locally we went threw that stage... the ending result is finally starting to unfold in a happy honeymoon... --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: SATELLITE DISH/REGION 18/NODE 201/PCBOARD/WHAT ELSE? (1:362/201) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OZZ NIXON Number: 501 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/09/93 12:47p Subj: 16550 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> Ok. So what version are you running as "current"? the 1009 one? Or have you -> received a later dated version? The one that is coming my way daily is still -> the 1009 one. Boyd keeps saying "in a few days". Well, when is that????? There is a ßeta version we are playing with... I personally have not had a problem since the release of 1009, which was compiled with a few smaller libraries, and quicker code. Boyd and I are shocked but I am running the whole inbound into a 286/20 with 4MB Ram and 2MB Cache on an old ST251 (not the -I series). I am running with 8250's and no fossil installed... and this machine also doubles as a CD Rom Server. All 8 slots are in use, and Novell Lite 1.1 running in Server Mode only (no client.exe needed, but loaded just for testing). And the system has not gotten a "T" block since I configured it this way... I installed the PCFIFO?.ZIP into the system, and played with it... nothing better, nor nothing worse... so I went back to 1009 (2 days ago) I ran the Beta for over a week. The only problem I was having (but has faded away) is the 286 locks up about once every 28-34 hours. I personally think it is in the code, but have to prove it (grin). Boyd and I added a lil' SHOWDATA.COM file to the batchfile on the 286 and so far with it in line the system has not locked up again. Thus it kinda proves a point, another software program loads into RAM and correctly flushes it when it has finished. But, I will keep testing a searching. The problem has been around since 1008 was out... Ozzman... --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: SATELLITE DISH/REGION 18/NODE 201/PCBOARD/WHAT ELSE? (1:362/201) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 502 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/09/93 4:50a Subj: Mail Bundles Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform > to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions: > .FRB > .FRC Those are perfectly valid extensions, Eddie... MO0 thru Z work.... If you mail proggie doesn't handle 'em correctly, try POLYXARC... --==jb==-- --- * Origin: The SANDBOX ** MultiLine TBBS ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34.28) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 503 To: GLENN VERMETTE Date: 11/14/93 4:52p Subj: New Node Getting This Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All: [Personal Opinion Mode On] GV> 1. The difference between KU and C...what is better? C Band. Ku is a higher wavelength = more power = tighter beam with smaller dish needs. Aiming may be more critical than a big old C Antenna. GV> 2. Advantages/Disadvantages to using a 2foot dish or a 7 GV> foot dish (or something in between) The bigger the dish .... the greater the resolution of the signal. Use of a high quality LNB will also increase signal quality. GV> 3. Does the receiver just "plug in" to the back of your GV> modem like a phone line, and can you still use your modem GV> the conventional way to dial out and receive via land line? The 'modem' is a special receiver that operates from the satellite signal and outputs to a standard serial port output. You can't use it for other purposes that I know of. GV> 4. Once the mail is received, do you still send all GV> outbound traffic through a land line uplink? Yes. Retaining topology is necessary at this time as there is no alternate to star routing at this moment that won't give us grief in these early stages of the programme. GV> 5. Is it a reliable? Totally .... so far. The odd hiccup has been quickly corrected by Boyd and P_C as far as I've seen. There were quite a few glitches and surprises in the beta test period but they smoothed out rapidly. GV> 6. Any known disadvantages? Yes ... Cost ....if you have little use for more than a couple of backbone echos and a file or two. The fee is very reasonable for a big feed of backbone and filebone wares but not for just the odd item from the satellite flow. In some cases the less expensive Skylink package may better suit the needs of a single site in the middle of nowhere. The skylink might offer enough of a supplement to a local feed. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 504 To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN Date: 11/14/93 5:08p Subj: Suggestion... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ian McLaughlin wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: Hi there Ian, Actually I'd prefer a switch of /NS which would change the default of 'Show Status' to 'No Status Shown'. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 505 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/15/93 12:42p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No CW>It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several areas CW>which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best interest to prepar CW>a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is give a list of current Agreed, but that being said...FIDONET.NA is now being maintained by someone new -- you'll like the changes that appeared in this week's file! --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EDDIE ROWE Number: 506 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 9:14p Subj: Sds Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are the SDS file echos now being carried by Planet Connect? Per the FileBone.Na I don't believe they are officially carried by the FileBone, but I did receive a file in the SDSRBBS area. The SDS system has been plagued by black holes in my experience -- I know many would welcome a reliable link! Can I pop open the bubbly? 8-) --- RBBSMail/386 v0.91 * Origin: NoSnail/RBBSMail Help (1:380/14.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 507 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 11:10p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the >> DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink. I'd >> in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other >> constraints to consider? > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 > am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to > modem that to the uplink. I don't mind....! Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 508 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/16/93 8:21a Subj: Delayed mail Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the > > DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink. I'd > > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or > even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the > uplink. Not a problem. anybody who's doing this stuff part time would simply have to adjust their schedules, but it wouldn't be a big problem for them. I would enjoy it! See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 509 To: EDDIE ROWE Date: 11/16/93 8:23a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Very confusing since FIDONET.NA is JUST what's on the Backbone...Wish > Boyd > would share exactly what areas we're supposed to be able to get. Go look in your satellite inbound area for this: L:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\FILEAREA.CUR See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 510 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/16/93 8:24a Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several Right. > areas which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best > interest to prepare a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is Try looking in your satellite inbound area for this: L:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\FILEAREA.CUR Boyd sends it out very regular... Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 511 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/16/93 8:26a Subj: IS IT JUST ME? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Is it just me...? I had 20 or so .SDN and .SDA files sitting in my > inbound without their associated .TIC files. This is second time in > about a month. What gives? I haven't had that happen to me yet. sorry. Good luck figuring it out! See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 512 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/16/93 8:29a Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > BW> ken.1, ken.2 etc > > <grin> Boyd was very kind to break up and resend a 2 meg mail bundle > cuz it never managed to come in here in one piece. He might get the same requests for the 2 megs bundle *.suc that came in yesterday. I had to page down TWICE while viewing the logs to get to the end of the packet list in that bundle :) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM BROWN Number: 513 To: ALL Date: 11/09/93 11:50p Subj: Test message Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Test message... please acknowledge receipt. Thanks! --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: THE PROMISED LAND, Marshfield WI, U.S.A. 10GB/32 lines (1:238/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NICK ASHTON-HART Number: 514 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/14/93 9:42a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd: Wednesday November 10 1993 20:50, Todd Lyons wrote to Ken Jackson: TL> I have already talked to Peter Stern and he was very nice and said that TL> access to it would not be relinquished to PC simply because he wants to TL> control it. It doesn't get any simpler or more honest than that. Then the members of DVNET ought to sack him. Nick CIS: 71754,212. Internet: Nick_Ashton-Hart@f335.n202.z1.fidonet.org --- * Origin: The Free Radical (FidoNet 1:202/335) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DALLAS HINTON Number: 515 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/15/93 9:35p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Ken -- on Nov 15 1993 at 18:09, you wrote: KK> I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then [...] KK> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner; Yup -- from my perspective, PC delivery has moved my echomail some 12 hours later :-( The flow is from you to 153/752 to 153/2 to me -- it's usually 10 - 11 PM (!) before I see it, compared to sometime between 6 and 9 AM before we switched. I'm not a totally happy camper. :-) Cheers ... Dallas --- timEd-A10b * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver BC, CANADA [604-266-7754] (1:153/715) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 516 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 5:10p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Ed Marquis: TL> Hell, myself, I think Boyd should have never said $30 per TL> node. Should have put everybody on a flat rate of $40 per TL> month and be done with it. Would have saved him quite a bit TL> of paperwork. Perhaps ...but my suspicions tell me that it would have the various sysops is different areas ganging up and plotting to find a way to use one subscription. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 517 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 5:22p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Dan Williamson: BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at BG> 9 am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have BG> to modem that to the uplink. You convinced me... I'll just sleep later... <grin>. BTW... I'm having a tough time getting a connection to upload my mail... can you add another phone line and set up the busy call forwarding feature? This costs only $1 a month in most areas. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 518 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/16/93 5:40p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even BG> 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink. KK> I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then KK> gotta get it out the door to the nets distribution hubs so KK> they can process it and move it on to the other hubs..all KK> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner; KK> Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt KK> really get fully delivered till late evening or beyond. The KK> idea is to get the mail through as soon as possible which KK> means as early in the day as possible (in my mind anyways) But why push so hard to deliver day old mail? If you waited 2 hrs you would have the NEXT day's mail. Heck... you may even start to get the messages BERORE they are written! <grin> --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 519 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/16/93 2:20p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! 13 Nov 93, Terry Blount writes to Rick Ashworth: TB> compelled to register it. Anyone with a lick of sense would TB> realize that combining several thousand programs for TB> distribution for a modest price is not selling the software TB> itself ...rather it is a trade off for the free advertising. It's certainly no different than on CD-ROM, or on Compu$erve, or even your local $25 per year pay-bbs-PDN site.. Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RICK ASHWORTH Number: 520 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/16/93 2:22p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Jason! 14 Nov 93, Jason Fesler writes to Rick Ashworth: JF> Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby". She DOES have to see JF> lawyers etc. When you get a notice that somebody is going to take you to JF> court for going against the distribution license, you tend to take them JF> quite seriously. And refuse to distribute their software. JF> Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money defending her JF> hobby over legal bull in court, it was in her best interests to see a JF> lawyer, and find out how far they CAN go. ESPECIALLY since the PDN JF> project is a volunteer effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making JF> money on. I guess.. How many lawyers have you seen to insure that you have followed all legal regulations regarding your own bbs? JF> Imagine that.. spending money to defend your legal right to pursue your JF> hobby where you help others out for free. Where DON'T you see the "both JF> legal and monetary" issues involved in this volunteer setup? Because all we are hearing is Ross Perot type "they's" and "them's" with no specifics to substantiate the point. JF> My reply probably would have never been written except for such a negative JF> attack you place on her, whether you realize it or not. No biggie, I've been razzed before! <g> JF> Organizations JF> _will_ come around. Until then, at least respect the fact that they're JF> footing the bill to take care of protecting their family to promote free JF> trade of source and programming related utilities, and just don't want to JF> go to court over it. It's evidently not <too> free, if the alleged authors are placing all these alleges restrictions on the distribution. JF> Screw "real threat". If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, fine, he JF> gets limited distrubition. The way I take your message, if they have a JF> distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"? Absolutely. Don't carry their files on PDN, don't carry them on bbs's.. What the heck good does it do for an author to write shareware, then prevent it's distribution? It still makes no sense. Do you know of any distibution license that prohibits satellite transmission? JF> If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or JF> netmail. You're asking people who have third party information. Those are the ones that are replying in this echo, however.. Rick --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: DataNet HST/V32b Erlanger, KY (606) 727-DNET (1:108/90) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 521 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/16/93 5:43p Subj: Pc Software Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TB> ...the story continues... the local net lost its feed last week TB> and has been calling all over the country trying to locate and TB> pickup the mail they were normally getting... what an irony... TB> most of it is deleted from my disc daily... and most likely they TB> will end up getting some of their old mail from someone who has TB> picked it up from Planet Connect Yep. TB> It would cause these local guys more pain to "ween" themselves TB> from the land lines than the extra $100 they are giving to Ma TB> Bell every month. DON'T ask me why... I haven't a clue. I dunno either, Terry. One of the members of our net's CRP is about to add a coupla more modems to his system so he can connect landline to one of the STARS (George) to pick up the mail. This sysop is the one who was gonna be our net's PC site, the dish was initially installed there. Between microwave "cross-talk" and some major system problems, half the net worked on trying to get it going at his site for 'bout 5 weeks and finally gave up and moved it to another site, which is in range of the airport radar, but still does better than the 1st site. He's talking 'bout the reliability angle now... I fail to understand how a long-distance call to a PC site (George) is more reliable than a LOCAL call to a PC site (me or t'other one). Oh, well..... --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF OLESEN Number: 522 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 10:40a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality -> check. It would probably bounce....... --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff075/c] * Origin: The Viking's Cove, Trenton ON (613)394-5919 (1:249/304) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 523 To: TONY HONAKER Date: 11/16/93 8:42a Subj: Connect problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting > with PC sending mail back. I run the following: > 10:43:00 Attempting to establish mail session > 10:43:01 Sending EMSI handshake packet ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ? 10:43:33 No handshake acknowledgement received > ? 10:43:33 EMSI handshake failure (sending) > 10:43:33 Terminating call Hi Tony: Turn off your EMSI handshake and give 'er a try. Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 524 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/15/93 7:02p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 13 09:54>, Terry Blount writes: TB>Someone has convinced a few shareware authors that it is not the quality TB>of their program or how many people get the opportunity to test it that TB> draws registrations but it is the "club" that they belong to. Hmmmm... me thinks I'm in the wrong club then. TB> I have written over 40 shareware programs and I feel it would be foolish TB>to say that that you could have my program and then try to regulate the TB>vehicle you used to acquire it. I can understand an author wanting a say over the method of distribution. What I can't understand is why they would have a problem with PC when the existing filebone is basically open distribution and MaBell is making big bucks as a result. What we're doing here is redirecting those funds to a smaller operation that has a different technology. Kinda like saying it's ok to use US Mail, but not ok to ship Fed Ex. Maybe the solution is separate PDN links, once for whomever and one for the "Club". later D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 525 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/15/93 7:57p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 14 23:14>, Boyd Goodin writes: BG>I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am BG>or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem BG>that to the uplink. A couple of items to fuel the discussion, then I'm sure everyone else will have opinions as well. First, it is not all that seldom that I get up in the morning to find the whole mess belly up with all 4 port in the air. When you uplink at 0730EST, that's 0630CST (my time) and 0430PST. Having the first uplink a little later would make the hours more reasonable. Secondly, my present connect schedule to the REC essentially begins at 0730am and processes throughout the day. It's a local call to the REC (not unlike the downlink :-) so I don't tie up low cost hours for everyone else. Anyway, after processing the morning run, it's delivered during monring hours. Hours that are classically low user level for BBSs. Thus the mail is ready when everyone gets home that evening. In short, an uplink at 10am EST would still allow downlink, processing and delivery before the evening BBS rush hour even for the east coast. Well, that's my perspective. The worst hit would be the eastern time zone. What do you guys say? D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HECTOR MANDEL Number: 526 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/16/93 4:28p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 14 18:31>, Jason Fesler of 1:203/7707.1 writes: JF> Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby". She DOES have JF> to see lawyers etc. When you get a notice that somebody is JF> going to take you to court for going against the JF> distribution license, you tend to take them quite seriously. JF> JF> Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money JF> defending her hobby over legal bull in court, it was in her JF> best interests to see a lawyer, and find out how far they JF> CAN go. ESPECIALLY since the PDN project is a volunteer JF> effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making money on. JF> All Janice has to do is tell us who the litigous jerks are and we'll all be glad to remove their shareware from our BBSes! JF> Screw "real threat". If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, JF> fine, he gets limited distrubition. The way I take your JF> message, if they have a distrubition license that states JF> specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"? That would be my reply too. After all beggars can't be choosers! It's unrealistic for them to expect us all to view each and every file that comes through our systems. --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: Cloud Chamber BBS, LurkNET HUB 217-684-2081 (1:233/15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CRAIG CLARK Number: 527 To: ALL Date: 11/16/93 11:11p Subj: Hello from Bermuda! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hey, here's the first Planet Connect site in Bermuda online. Someone (not everyone) please let me know if they receive this ok. Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files now adding areas. The file areas were not too bad, but all those message areas - yikes! Anyone know of a shortcut for adding message areas to Maximus and Squish? -=- Craig. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: -={ Christian Deliverance BBS, Devonshire BERMUDA }=- (1:3658/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 528 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/16/93 5:07a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality > check. Agreed, Todd. :sigh: --)@ Patty @(-- --- InterMail 2.25 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PATTY PICKETT Number: 529 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/16/93 7:32a Subj: Dupes Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, I don't know what's going on, but I've received several dupes in various echoes over the past few days including many in the Doorware echo just this AM. All of the messages that I've seen are nearly 2 weeks old and 3615/50 & 51 are listed twice in the path lines. The following message from Doorware is an example: (90) Tue 9 Nov 93 4:52 Rcvd: Tue 16 Nov 5:40 By: Bill Freads To: Patty Pickett Re: Re: Door Files! St: Kill Rcvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Thanks Patty, Jim send them to me on HIS dime, much >> appreciated though. > Wow, that was nice of him. :) Yes, I'll say, I was as surprised as can be, fater all, it was not required, must be I'm living right for a change? <grin> Bill --- DB 1.54/001196 * Origin: MSG Resources - Shreveport, LA (1:380/5.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 530 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/16/93 9:56p Subj: FILEBONE AREAS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Screw "real threat". If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, > fine, he gets limited distrubition. The way I take your message, if they > have a Perhaps it's time to be a bit unreasonable in response to some of these more litigous threatening individuals by removing their files from the distribution channel entirely or at the very least from bbs's in general. Possibly with a little pressure in return, these authors will re-evaluate such a silly position. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 531 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/16/93 10:04p Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I probably already have it written. Post a short sample of the > format for TBBS files.bbs and make a few comments on how it > handles the extended description lines. TBBS style psuedo directories... fullpathname.ext displayname.ext 'owner' 40 char description !>extended description lines !>can go on like this the fullpathname.ext can be just the DOS filename if the psuedo directory is in the same dir as the file. The display name can be most anything but is usually the actual file name. The optional 'owner' is the name of the person (or program such as tic) that 'uploaded' the file. The description lines are limited to 40 char's and can be extended by the !>preceeding each subsequent name. TBBS will optionally display the file date and size with a file directory display command switch. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN LUONG Number: 532 To: ALL Date: 11/13/93 10:30p Subj: P/C Information Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello All. Read all the information in this echo, and have a few questions left: 1. Can I use a dish that was not purchased from Plannet Connect? 2. How would I do it? 3. How much for a dish from Plannet Connect? 4. Need the dish be aimed at a certain area 24 hours a day? 5. What network(s) are available? 6. How large is the flow daily? 7. Is their a FAQ [Frequently Asked Questions] file for Plannet Connect? Thanks John --- FreeMail 1.09 * Origin: The FuNny FaRM, Lake Oswego, Oregon * 503/697-0845 (1:105/250) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NICK ASHTON-HART Number: 533 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/15/93 6:43a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd: Friday November 12 1993 19:06, Todd Lyons wrote to Greg Shaffer: TL> One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a TL> misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone. It's not (according to TL> him). I was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it TL> was on the filebone, but he assures me not. I dunno. There are many areas listed in the FILEBONE.NA which are not actually ON the filebone, but which many hilebone hubs carry. Look at the flags next to the area and you'll quickly be able to tell what's on the filebone and what isn't. Nick CIS: 71754,212. Internet: Nick_Ashton-Hart@f335.n202.z1.fidonet.org --- * Origin: The Free Radical (FidoNet 1:202/335) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LISA GRONKE Number: 534 To: TIM HELTON Date: 11/16/93 9:49a Subj: ELIST Refer: NONE Read: 11/18/93 3:21p Private: No You need to post a message in the ZEC echo, addressed to 'Backbone' with your ELIST entry or confirmation and distribution information showing 25 nodes connected and 25 messages a week. None of that should create any problem. Dan Buda will add it to the next fidostat.na. Then two or three RECs need to say they want it (they usually do this in a public message in the ZEC echo). A summary of the procedure can be found in any edition of fidostat.na (it comes out weekly and should be available from your NEC). Lisa Gronke (aka Ruby Tuesday) Usually found at 1:105/6 --- QM v1.30 * Origin: Jobs_BBS, PDX OR USA +1(503)281-6808 (1:105/54.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TONY HONAKER Number: 535 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 11/17/93 5:41p Subj: Connect problems Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> > I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting -> > with PC sending mail back. I run the following: -> > 10:43:00 Attempting to establish -> > 10:43:01 Sending EMSI handshake packet -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -> > ? 10:43:33 No handshake acknowledgement received -> > ? 10:43:33 EMSI handshake failure (sending) -> > 10:43:33 Terminating call -> Hi Tony: -> Turn off your EMSI handshake and give 'er a try. Well see if I can... Intermail supports say I can't do it.. Just seems funny that I can hookup with every DB but that one... --- WM v3.10/91-0178 * Origin: BlueWater BBS Catch the (1:160/260) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 536 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/17/93 11:45a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Terry Blount: DO> Kinda like saying it's ok to use US Mail, but not ok to ship DO> Fed Ex. Exactly my point. However it appears that someone has convinced some shareware authors that no one using Fedx will register and everyone using the US Mail will. Must be the US Mail... <g> --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 537 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/17/93 11:48a Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Terry Blount: TM> fullpathname.ext displayname.ext 'owner' 40 char description !>extended description lines !>can go on like this Humm... I'm confused... If the fullpath name must be included before EVERY file name that is opening a big can of worms. Why would so much redundant info be necessary when it could be included only once in some kind of control file? --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 538 To: CRAIG CLARK Date: 11/17/93 9:10p Subj: Hello from Bermuda! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Craig Clark wrote in a message to All: CC> Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files CC> now adding areas. The file areas were not too bad, but all CC> those message areas - yikes! Anyone know of a shortcut for CC> adding message areas to Maximus and Squish? W A N T E D written by Terry Blount 1:3625/441 Freq the magic file name "Wanted" This program can be freely distributed provide it is not modified. Purpose: Since the advent of the Satellite (Planet Connect) distribution of the Fidonet backbone, many of you may start pulling in the entire feed and then find it a lot of work to configure Maximus to carry hundred's of conferences and keep your message base configuration for Maximus consistent with the Squish.cfg. Many of you already may be carrying hundreds of conferences and some of you may want a simple way to manage both your Squish.cfg and MsgArea.ctl so that they both reflect any modification in the message areas you want to pick up or exclude. I have written a utility to update or setup Squish.cfg and MsgArea.ctl to reflect the areas that are listed in a text file. Ie. "Fidonet.na" From now on I only have to edit the listing and add or take out any conferences that I wish to change... then I run this utility "Wanted" and it rebuilds those control files. There are 2 rules you must follow to use this utility: 1. The name of you text file that lists the echo areas must be "Echo.lst" and the description of the conferences must begin on column #21. 2. You must have a copy of Squish.cfg named "Squish" and all lines that begin with "EchoArea" must be removed. When Wanted runs it will copy your info from "Squish" then append the EchoArea lines to the Squish.cfg it builds from your Echo.lst ascii text file. MsgArea.ctl will have a netmail conference setup with ASSTsysop security level. MsgArea.ctl will use the descriptions for the file areas that are found starting on column #21 of Fidonet.na and it will be setup to support BlueWave for maximus. You will need to answer the following questions when Wanted runs: Please enter YOUR Fidonet node number. Please enter the Fidonet node number for your HUB. Please enter the PATH to your MESSAGE directory. Please enter the PATH to your NET MAIL directory. Please enter the maximum NUMBER of messages you want to keep in each area. Please enter the number of DAYS of mail you want to keep in each area. Notes from MsgArea.ctl WARNING! If you happen to "renumber" the area numbers within this file (such as by changing message area 2 to area 1, and then changing area 3 to area 2, and so on), make sure to delete \MAX\MTAG.BBS and \MAX\OLR\DATS\*.*. This is only a concern when changing the name/number of every area; those two files contain information about tagged message areas and the QWK area pointers. If you change many area numbers without deleting these files, uploaded QWK messages and message tagging information may be incorrect. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MURRAY PLETSCH Number: 539 To: CRAIG CLARK Date: 11/17/93 4:35p Subj: Hello from Bermuda! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hey, here's the first Planet Connect site in Bermuda online. > Someone (not everyone) please let me know if they receive this Receiving loud and clear on Vancouver Island (West Coast of Canada) > Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files now > adding areas. The file areas were not too bad, but all those > message areas - yikes! Anyone know of a shortcut for adding > message areas to Maximus and Squish? Sure......get SuperBBS and FMail or Gecho and use the HMB. Regards....Murray --- GEcho386-101+ * Origin: (1:351/444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 540 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/17/93 10:45p Subj: WHERE ARE YOU???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Ken, If I had my druthers, I'd prefer to see the data coming down from the bird starting at around 02:00am EST so that it could be processed before the business day starts. Right now, I don't get everything in till around 10-10:30, and then my system takes about an hour to 1.5 hours to process everything during prime time. I've considered just sitting on it till after 01:00am the next morning and processing it then, but it would be two days late already. This too is an unacceptable solution. I'm puzzled by your remarks. Your province is three time zones behind us. So your downlink starts at about 04:30 PST daily. Isn't that ideal for you? You could have everything down, processed and out by 09:00am daily. Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRIS WIESNER Number: 541 To: RIC WALSH Date: 11/17/93 10:59p Subj: SUGGESTION... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I'd like to see a second "switch" which would blank all but the > status lines. > Old monochrome monitors tend to get burned in after long exposure to > the same screen. I use a screen blanker set to 5 minutes. However, when I press a key to restore the screen, the current file gets an error. Somehow I think the main prg is too sensitive to the keyboard. .. wish something could be done about that... Regards --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: CHANNEL-23 - Ottawa's FIRST Satellite system (1:243/23) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 542 To: MURRAY PLETSCH Date: 11/17/93 5:38p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Murray! Monday November 15 1993, Murray Pletsch writes to Boyd Goodin: >> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 >> am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to >> modem that to the uplink. MP> I don't mind....! I would not care to have that, let's see, Currently we have 7:00 am, Days Feed down from the Satellite 10:00 am, Feed is ready to Process 11:30 am, Mail arrives at the Top Hubs 1:00 pm, Mail begins to flow from the Hubs to Nodes by 5pm Most nodes have their daily mail Add 3 hours to this, 10:00am Feed start time rather than 7:00am and you get to begin sending the days mail to nodea around 4 or 5pm, all these nodes re guess what, busy with BBS users... School is out, and mail connects with Other Hubs/Nodes are impossible Having the feed of the day begin at 7:00 am and end at 10:00 pm is difficult enough for distribution, delaying it later will put it on my system a bit earlier, but the other hubs/nodes will not see any improvement, most will likely see an additional 12 hour delay in receiving up to date mail. My Opinion, others are entitles to their own :) Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 543 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/17/93 5:28p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! Monday November 15 1993, Terry Blount writes to Todd Lyons: TL>> node. Should have put everybody on a flat rate of $40 per TB> Perhaps ...but my suspicions tell me that it would have the TB> various sysops is different areas ganging up and plotting to find TB> a way to use one subscription. ...and..., not sure what you mean here, as that is already happening if the PCDownSite pays $40.00/mo to PC, and is what the additional $10.00 gives him. Cheers, Ervin ... Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 544 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/17/93 5:31p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Terry! Tuesday November 16 1993, Terry Blount writes to Ken Kavanagh: KK>> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner; KK>> Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt KK>> really get fully delivered till late evening or beyond. The TB> But why push so hard to deliver day old mail? If you waited 2 hrs you TB> would have the NEXT day's mail. Heck... you may even start to get the TB> messages BERORE they are written! <grin> Adding another 2 - 3 hours would definetly push it into prime BBS/impossible BBS connect time. Why push so hard to have fresher mail that simply sits around on the hub system(s) till 1 or 2am the "next" morning..... Seems more futile to me :( Cheers, Ervin ... There's no future in time travel. --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID BLUM Number: 545 To: PATTY PICKETT Date: 11/17/93 8:13p Subj: GMD Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Todd Lyons: > Who has it for freq? > > What file name? PP> GMD_310.ZIP (182k) HST DS 16k8 from me at 1:380/5. PP> --)@ Patty @(-- I got the file from you and it works great, but how do I keep it from sending messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages. As I'm sure that he has better things to do than read those messages<G>, right Boyd.. Good Bye & Good Luck, Dave --- timEd-B9 * Origin: The Swiss Bull BBS, Monroe, WI (1:11/600) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JD BROWN Number: 546 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/16/93 9:27a Subj: Os/2 2.1ga Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No CIS: 72027,2432 Internet: JD_Brown@f3622.n1.z1.fidonet.org IBM LINK @ DEV0580 BG> > With OS/2 for Windows pricing at $50, a whole lot more persons are going BG> > to BG> > be joining the OS/2 family...Oh Boyd??? 8-) BG> BG> Well i am not sure if the software will work under OS2. One thing I do BG> know is that the "LOCK" will not work. I talked to the BG> company that makes them they said it worked under OS2 2.0 BG> but not under 2.1 and IBM wont tell tehm what they changed BG> so that Aztec could make changes to support the 2.1 BG> version. YOu might want to tell IBM to give them a hand or BG> at least tell them what they changed. Boyd, OS/2 2.1 will not allow a DOS session with a Hardware Lock to work due to several changes. The biggest being a greater level of protection to hardware access in a effort to increase system protection. The printer API was changed to fix some problems with DOS program access to printer ports and OS/2's ability to assign multiple virtual printer ports to a single physical printer port. Also, a lot of modifications were made in the bi-directional parts of the printer drivers. Tell Aztec to look at the bi-directional function calls, to use C Set Plus Plus, and to set their "security" code up as a DLL linked to the main program via a device driver. A native OS/2 program would not have this problem provided they set up their security as a device driver that was ASSIGNED to the physical printer port where the lock was placed. If you want to look into the porting of the software to OS/2, then you can call me voice at 615-454-0505 and I will be glad to discuss it with you. Also, I have a security method for OS/2 that would allow you to do away with the hardware lock and maintain the same level of security the lock provides now, in fact, an even greater level, considering the availability of software that will break the Aztec lock and every other dongle on the market. ___ ■ KWQ/2 1.2a ■ "Protection of the consumer by regulation is illusory." - --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: OS/2 Exchange (Home of EGGNET'S EC1, POLICY) (1:3622/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OZZ NIXON Number: 547 To: CRAIG CLARK Date: 11/17/93 7:32p Subj: Hello from Bermuda! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > bad, but all those message areas - yikes! Anyone know > of a shortcut for adding message areas to Maximus and > Squish? Not sure about those, but if you will give me the "format" sample for each I will add them to my A2C.EXE I wrote for us PCBoard ops, and that way it will benefit you and any others joining... Ozzman... --- PCBoard Tosser 1.20a * Origin: OTWS&C BBS (615)-634-5050 38,400 ISDN w/ClassAxe.PPE (1:362/201) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 548 To: RICK ASHWORTH Date: 11/17/93 6:08p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a message to Jason Fesler, Rick Ashworth said: RA>I guess.. How many lawyers have you seen to insure that you have RA>followed all legal regulations regarding your own bbs? I haven't. I write my own software; I keep only stuff that relates to the software that I write, and utilities etc that may be useful to that end. I do get the PDN. My system is not really a file center; it is more of a net services site, that provides various options like internet gateways for the net, as well as advanced file search systems, allowing sysops/users/whatever to use my system to find what they are looking for. I'm rather THANKFUL that I am not a major _file_ resource; my phone line is more than busy enough as it is! JF> gets limited distrubition. The way I take your message, if they have a JF> distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"? RA>Absolutely. Don't carry their files on PDN, don't carry them on RA>bbs's.. What the heck good does it do for an author to write RA>shareware, then prevent it's distribution? It still makes no sense. RA>Do you know of any distibution license that prohibits satellite RA>transmission? Refusing transport is a reasonable alternative, as long as you are not simply ignoring their distribution license. Your previous message sounded more like "screw their requirements, make them fly anyways." JF> If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or JF> netmail. You're asking people who have third party information. RA>Those are the ones that are replying in this echo, however.. I would suggest looking into getting the "PDNECHO" area then, and ask _there_. Discussing this behind _their_ backs, and expecting good definitive answers, just won't work. Meet ya there. --- WME 1.09 (Nov 17 1993)/sq+ * Origin: WME Online! / Net Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLOYD DRENNON Number: 549 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 11/18/93 1:05p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Ervin, 17 Nov 93, 17:31, Ervin Jay wrote to Terry Blount: EJ> Why push so hard to have fresher mail that simply sits around on the EJ> hub system(s) till 1 or 2am the "next" morning..... If the downlinks know an approximate time when it will finish, let them decide whether it's more important to get the new mail or let the user's on line, (ie, let them poll whenever they choose). --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: FLOYD'S FOLLY, Deatsville, AL HST-16.8 DS, Net375 NEC (1:375/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLOYD DRENNON Number: 550 To: DAVID BLUM Date: 11/18/93 1:06p Subj: GMD Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi David, 17 Nov 93, 20:13, David Blum wrote to Patty Pickett: DB> I got the file from you and it works great, but how do I keep it from DB> sending messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages. As I'm sure DB> that he has better things to do than read those messages<G>, right DB> Boyd.. Use NetManager to delete them. Available here as NTMGR94.ARJ 2400+ except ZMH. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: FLOYD'S FOLLY, Deatsville, AL HST-16.8 DS, Net375 NEC (1:375/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DIANE SUMMERS Number: 551 To: ALL Date: 11/18/93 5:13p Subj: Hi! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi All! If this message is being recieved please respond, thanks... ...Di * WCE 1.10/2184 * ... Sysops are guilty of baudy behavior. --- WM v3.10/93-0963 * Origin: Di's Online Cafe - Mobile, AL - (205) (1:3625/470) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 552 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/21/93 8:44a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > GS> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone...... > JW> That is incorrect. If it's listed in Filebone.Na with a "!" > JW> flag, _then_ it's on the Filebone. > Hmmmm I could have sworn thats what I said...... Actually. If you read the FILEBONE.NA you'll find it says "Only Filechoses with the "!" are actually distributed on the filebone" Not too much confusion there ... > greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org What's with this address? If you had a real/differant InterNET address it might make sense, but advertising a gated fidonet address IN fidonet doesn't really make any sense, *especially* since the same address is included in your origin line... (quoted below for your information) > _ Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) --==jb==-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS BEAL Number: 553 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/21/93 1:26p Subj: Password? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I've notice recently that several mail bags are comming in without a password and my system is kicking them into the "bad dir". What is the scoop on that? --- GEcho 1.01+NOMORETG! * Origin: Earth Station Alpha * Co Springs, CO * (719) 636-8979 (1:128/135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 554 To: THOMAS BEAL Date: 11/21/93 10:55p Subj: Re: Password? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I've notice recently that several mail bags are comming in without a > password and my system is kicking them into the "bad dir". What is the > scoop on that? Made the unforgiving mistake of changing a config file. There might be a couple in todays but that should be the last you will see without a password in them. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MIKE LABBE Number: 555 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/19/93 7:01p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> We will be. We are waiting on some modems and will put them on line as soon -> as possible. Are they Hayes 28800 modems by any chance? If so, please consider this an official request for the #. Very pleased customer, Mike --- DB 1.54/004201 * Origin: Eagles Nest Communications - Providence, RI USA (1:323/126) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ALBERT GAYLORD Number: 556 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/21/93 7:01p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! Thursday November 18 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Dave Osborne: >> everyone else. Anyway, after processing the morning run, it's delivered >> during monring hours. Hours that are classically low user level for >> BBSs. Thus the mail is ready when everyone gets home that evening. >> In short, an uplink at 10am EST would still allow downlink, processing >> and delivery before the evening BBS rush hour even for the east coast. BG> Note taken. I am just getting a feel for this. There will come a time BG> when everything will go out just after it is processed. Before too many people try to convince you to make the feed to the bird earlier or later, you might just want to study the impact Net105 is going to have on your feed. For any of you that don't know what I am talking about, just look in your nodelists at Europe Gate, Asia Gate, etc. Notice the area code 503. That is Portland, Oregon and Net105. All the mail to and from the Gates goes through Portland and Net105. Currently we insert 15% - 20% of the backbone into 209/209 (Western Star) at 4 a.m. PST (7 a.m. EST). That insertion will not have had time to travel to the Southern Star and get uplinked into the PC feed by 7:30 EST, so all the European, Asian, Australian, etc., mail waits until the next morning. However, over the next couple of weeks we will be altering where we send our outbound mail as we connect into PC. So, if all the mail from Net105 reaches PC in our connection with them at say 1 a.m. PST (4 a.m. EST), all the Net105 and international mail (15% - 20% of the backbone feed) will be at PC's uplink site 3 1/2 - 4 hours before it currently arrives. I mean, if you say pretty please to us, we may even send it to you at 11 p.m. PST (2 a.m. EST). Might just make a small difference in when and how you schedule your uplink to the bird. It may just warrant waiting a couple of weeks to see what impact we have on the timeliness of the backbone feed to the uplink site. Maybe the uplink could happen an hour or three earlier, instead of later. Who knows. It may not have any effect at all though I rather doubt it. Albert Gaylord A soon-to-be Planet Connect SHub in Net105 --- GoldED 2.40+ TeamOS/2 - ssA Satellite Hub * Origin: ssA Satellite Syndicate Assocs SHub 1-503 297-1112 (1:105/40) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID LUTJEN Number: 557 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/21/93 9:39p Subj: SUGGESTION... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Saturday November 20 1993 21:24, Ken Jackson wrote to Jason Fesler: JF>> ... German word for bra: stoppenzefloppen KJ> I see you've been watching too much Benny Hill....... The correct translation is almost as humorous: Bustenhalter --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1114 * Origin: "TRADE WINDS+OS/2 V2.1+Intel/400e+FAX 503-297-6748+PDX.US (1:105/60) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK ADKINS Number: 558 To: CHRIS WIESNER Date: 11/21/93 1:48a Subj: New node getting this ech Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> heart of the problem I describe. Advancing these -> uplink/downlink times to something like 02:00 EST may be -> beneficial to making the PC system more 'current'. That would put things at 23:00 PST. This would over run the West Coast ZMH by an hour if we started our downlink at 23:00 and it took 3 hours we'd never be online for ZMH. --- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251 * Origin: Blue Lake Systems 503-656-9790 - 5 Nodes - 6 Gigs (1:105/286) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACOBO ODUBER Number: 559 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/20/93 11:18p Subj: Planet Connect/Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Since receiving the PC receiver at the beginning of this month, I had some minor tweaking to do to get the receiver to get all the mail packets without errors. We have been running the system now for a few weeks down here in Aruba, and it has been working out quite well. Sure beats having to call Long Distance to get all those echo's into the system. We are running the FD/RA (1 line) and Planet Connect under Desqview while having 4-5 windows open and still receive everything from the bird in the sky without any errors. I have to enable the 16550 uart's to keep the error rate down to a minimum. The only times I get some errors is when doing intensive hardisk sorts and we might see a or two file come in with errors. I have not been able to get the PCUTIL NEXT3 to work properly, while the PCUTIL CHECK# does work. I tried freqing PCUTIL from the author to get a update but no luck. Any Hints?? Keep up the good work Jacob ... Line noise provided by SETAR, the Aruban Telephone Company! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Hack on the Beach BBS coming to you from sunny Aruba!! (1:18/21.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BIERRIE Number: 560 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/21/93 5:26a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons, in a message to Tim Jacobs, you wrote: > > I WANNA MULTI-TASK THE PC CONNECT... > > If it works in Windows it will work in OS/2, What did you have to do ti > get it to work.? TL> I wasn't paying attention to whomever wrote this, but I can TL> run PC under DesqView, however if I open a window or do TL> anything remotely resembling touching the keyboard, it gets TL> errors and trashes the file. I'll be excited when I see TL> something other than PTC1009.ZIP come over :) Todd, We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz. This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness". BTW... we generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok... John --- --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS - Peoria, IL - 309-682-6560 (1:232/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACOBO ODUBER Number: 561 To: JEFF WARD Date: 11/22/93 9:09p Subj: Re: .Tic for Nodediff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting Jeff Ward to All <=- JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file JW> for the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks! I did not get on over here either. TTYL Jacob ... Documentation - The worst part of programming. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Hack on the Beach BBS coming to you from sunny Aruba!! (1:18/21.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACOBO ODUBER Number: 562 To: JOE LYDA Date: 11/23/93 9:45p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting JOE LYDA to BOYD GOODIN <=- JL> I just got mine all automated here and have a big question. Is JL> the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going JL> to remain slim and trim? I should get the necessary files to JL> handle it tomorrow and see what is there. Also will you be JL> providing the gateway into Internet? JL> ! Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator 1:3622/1000 (1:3622/1000) Joe I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on this. TTYL Jacob Oduber sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS Aruba 1:18/21 ... Line noise provided by SETAR, the Aruban Telephone Company! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Hack on the Beach BBS coming to you from sunny Aruba!! (1:18/21.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACOBO ODUBER Number: 563 To: JOHN BIERRIE Date: 11/24/93 11:03p Subj: Re: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -=> Quoting John Bierrie to Todd Lyons <=- JB> Todd Lyons, in a message to Tim Jacobs, you wrote: > > I WANNA MULTI-TASK THE PC CONNECT... JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz. JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness". BTW... we JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok... JB> John Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview. I enable the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the uart buffer. Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the tossing performance without any major problems under desqview. ttyl Jacob ... Line noise provided by SETAR, the Aruban Telephone Company! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Hack on the Beach BBS coming to you from sunny Aruba!! (1:18/21.0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 564 To: NICK ASHTON-HART Date: 11/23/93 10:09p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Nick Ashton-hart wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: NA> Hello Greg: NA> Sunday November 14 1993 15:04, Greg Shaffer wrote to Todd NA> Lyons: GS> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone...... NA> Not so. Look at the top of the file where the key is to the NA> ! and ., etc. I could have sworn thats what I said.... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 565 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/23/93 10:13p Subj: Squish Mail Tosser Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Glenn Vermette: JF> Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All: GV> Can anyone who is currently using Planet Connect tell me if GV> Squish will automatically accept packets with the .MOA to GV> MOZ extensions, without creating some fancy batch file? JF> We're getting ready to do the P_C thing. From experience as JF> as usenet gate, Squish only handles standard arcmail names, JF> and will ignore anything else. You will need to rename JF> them, or unpack them manually before calling the mail JF> processor. Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those extensions just fine.... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 566 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/23/93 10:16p Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. Amen...... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 567 To: CRAIG CLARK Date: 11/22/93 11:39a Subj: Hello from Bermuda! Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Craig Clark wrote in a message to Terry Blount: -=> Quoting Terry Blount to Craig Clark <=- TB> W A N T E D TB> written by TB> Terry Blount 1:3625/441 TB> Freq the magic file name "Wanted" CC> Thanks for the info - I'll be calling in a few minutes to CC> pick it up. I'm tired from staying up half the night CC> updating Max and Squish's control files. Sorry you had problems.... I forgot to include the revised version in the archive when I updated the docs. I sent it to you along with a netmail message. Anyone else who has freq'ed "Wanted" should do it again and get the version that works. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 568 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 11/22/93 11:29p Subj: DIZ'S Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > would so much redundant info be necessary when it could be > included only once in some kind of control file? JD> Terry, JD> The reason for TBBS' psuedo-directory style is that it JD> gives you the ability to have the file in a different JD> directory than where the listing resides. ... JD> Another reason for the psuedo-name/real-name scheme is to JD> allow non-DOS filenames. I see... I never have seen it doen this way. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 569 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/23/93 5:33p Subj: Planet Connect/Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: JO> to a minimum. The only times I get some errors is when doing JO> intensive hardisk sorts and we might see a or two file come JO> in with errors. Try setting your tics to 1 and 1. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 570 To: BOYD GODDIN Date: 11/24/93 11:13a Subj: net messages Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed to other folks who are having problems. Would it be too difficult for you put those message on hold so that when they poll you with reply mail they would pick up these messages? I seems that method would be a more professional method of dealing with individual problems. Let us be glad and rejoice, for the marriage of the Lamb is come,(Rev.19:7) --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 571 To: DAVID LUTJEN Date: 11/23/93 3:46p Subj: SUGGESTION... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No David Lutjen wrote in a message to Ken Jackson: DL> The correct translation is almost as humorous: Bustenhalter And invented, oddly enough by a Herr Titzlinger Sort of like the invention of the flush toilet by Thomas Crapper. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 572 To: JIM DUNMYER Date: 11/24/93 12:23p Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I run TBBS and a Mail Muncher "nanny" here to handle all the hubbing > duties, including Tick file processing. Tick takes just a few minutes to > run, tossing all the new files into download areas, updating the .DIR's, > and passing stuff along to my downlinks. Jim... Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets?? I'm running the same basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file. I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and TIMS won't fight over .?LO files.... (as well as .PT files..) Thanks! --==jb==-- --- * Origin: The SANDBOX ** MultiLine TBBS ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34.28) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 573 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/24/93 9:11a Subj: Planet Connect Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this? Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone won't carry it. They _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and refuse to answer any and all questions re: price. This is how the FDECHO is structured today. However, once _business_ starts going across the wire, backbone will drop it, as they don't wish to pay for other people's business. KJ> I'd like some facts on this because the Planet Connect KJ> dialoque will simply not go away from the TVRO (Satellite KJ> TV) Echo. When I ask people to take their queries to KJ> PLANET_CONNECT they tell me they can't request it. Point them to people who ARE connected. Most people shouldn't mind polling for it, as it directly relates to _saving_ money ;-) .. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com ... Documentation - The worst part of programming. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 574 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/25/93 4:41a Subj: .Tic for Nodediff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file for > JW> the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks! > No, you weren't! I didn't get it either. Glad you said something - > thought it was my system or something... Me three. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 575 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/25/93 4:43a Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is annoying to > have to wade through these every day now. <Grin> I rather like those. I haven't seen our net in there once yet. ;) But I would change the reporting period to Monday 12:01am to Thursday 11:59pm and Friday 12:01am to Sunday 11:59pm See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 576 To: JOE LYDA Date: 11/25/93 4:45a Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Hey Boyd, I think you are doing prety good with all this stuff. > I just got mine all automated here and have a big question. Is > the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going > to remain slim and trim? I should get the necessary files to The plans are the whole thing. > handle it tomorrow and see what is there. Also will you be > providing the gateway into Internet? No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody who wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the gateway). Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it. See ya todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 577 To: JOHN BIERRIE Date: 11/25/93 4:48a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz. I have slimmer pickings. A 386SX/25 with 2 megs of ram. > This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil on > COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a great > deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness". BTW... we generally have > 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and whatever I'm doing) > and the system really does seem to run ok... <green with envy> See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARY BERG Number: 578 To: JEFF WARD Date: 11/24/93 8:21p Subj: .Tic for Nodediff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file fo > r >> JW> the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks! >> No, you weren't! I didn't get it either. Glad you said >> something - thought it was my system or something... > Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to wonder there > myself for a minute. Now, if we only knew why we > didn't get it. Oversight? Later! It'd save some griping this way as well..... --- * Origin: The Rec Room Lansing MI (1:159/350) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM WATSON Number: 579 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/24/93 3:15p Subj: Planet Connect Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No KJ> Boyd-- KJ> This was in today's ZEC echo. Can someone give us an KJ> ANSWER to this so people KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this? It's pretty well there now. Fairly sure all three zone hubs have it, and I'm quite suprised at all the downlinks coming from here. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: <CyBorg ConTrol> (1:170/610) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM WATSON Number: 580 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/24/93 3:16p Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It TM> is annoying to have to wade through these every day TM> now. Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be better to correct to the software on your end that is causing those messages to be generated? At PC's level, considering the implications if a problem does occur, they pretty well have to run _something_ to keep an eye on the inbound... --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: <CyBorg ConTrol> (1:170/610) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 581 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 10:44a Subj: Re: net messages Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Terry Blount: > We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed to other > folks who are having problems. Would it be too difficult for BG> BG> Working on it. Seems to have stopped ever since I stopped BG> alowing routed netmail through our system. Thanks... now if you could only fix it so that we can use routed net mail through your system and pick it up when we call in with our reply mail. I polled my old hub a few days ago and found about 15 routed netmail messages that had been waiting there for over a month. Needless to say that I lost some sales that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription fee <grin>. It is really difficult to try to teach everyone that CRASH netmail is the ONLY option that is now available to most of us who are using Planet Connect. Since EVERY moderator's most frequently posted message is "Take this to netmail" we really need to get routed netmail working properly so that we can pick it up when we poll you. I'm sure you are aware of the effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did not work. Thanks for your ear. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 582 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/25/93 4:47p Subj: Re: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to John Bierrie: JO> Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview. JO> I enable the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the JO> uart buffer. JO> Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the JO> tossing performance without any major problems under JO> desqview. That is basically what I've been doing except I uncompress my mail bundles to a ram drive then tossing is so much faster. If Boyd would break up the trasnmissions into smaller sessions I would really like to run the whole show on a ram disk. I don't like my _expensive_ hard drive coming on and going off every second. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 583 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 4:53p Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys BG> tossing your mail? We are tossing it as it arrives.... however catching an open line to send replies back to you is what causes the 3 day lag. I have often set my reply mail as crash so it would keep polling all night. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLOYD DRENNON Number: 584 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 1:09p Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Boyd, 24 Nov 93, 23:46, Boyd Goodin wrote to All: BG> that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in BG> the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT! The stars and most of the RECs were handling echos in Fidonet.no also. It should be rather simple to handle those also. Would you please reconsider. Things are fragmented enough as is. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: FLOYD'S FOLLY, Deatsville, AL HST-v.terbo, Net375 NEC (1:375/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 585 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/25/93 2:06a Subj: Squish Mail Tosser Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Jason! Sunday November 21 1993, Jason Fesler writes to Glenn Vermette: JF> We're getting ready to do the P_C thing. From experience as as usenet JF> gate, Squish only handles standard arcmail names, and will ignore anything JF> else. You will need to rename them, or unpack them manually before JF> calling the mail processor. Or, use SPAZ or GUS to blast 'em open before Squish gets hold of them... Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK WINSLADE Number: 586 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 5:08p Subj: Usenet ?? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No We've noticed that some (test?) Usenet material has started to come in. Is this to continue ?? The files so far look like they will feed directly in to our cnews system. Where do things stand as far as getting the Usenet areas flowing from the bird ?? OBTW, here in Omaha it seems to be going quite well with PC. Thanks Good day JSW --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Buttafuoco Modeling Agency and Charm School (1:285/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SYSOP Number: 587 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 10:45p Subj: Re: Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No BG>> Boyd BG> BG>> Hows about releasin the Beta DV version of the PC Software and attach a BG>> USE AT OWN RISK clause, I sure could use it as I am getting some strange BG>> errors every now and again... BG> BG> It is being sent over the sat as PTC1123.ZIP. This is a MUST use version. BG>Mea BG>ning the 1009 version will be obsolete after the 29th of this month. BG> BG>....Boyd Whoa!!! Must use? I loaded PTC1123.ZIP on my system immediately after receiving it. For the first time in 45 days since installing my PC system it crashed during the first night knocking the workstation off of my network! The screen was blank with a blinking cursor. I am now running v1009 dependably again. Are you telling me that I am going to HAVE to move to my office to babysit PC? Guess again! -Tim --- * Origin: National Shareware Library (tm) (1:238/501) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 588 To: NICK ASHTON-HART Date: 11/24/93 5:48p Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Nick Ashton-hart wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: NA> Hello Greg: NA> Saturday November 20 1993 21:57, Greg Shaffer wrote to Jim NA> Watson: GS>> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone...... JW>> That is incorrect. If it's listed in Filebone.Na with a "!" JW>> flag, _then_ it's on the Filebone. GS> Hmmmm I could have sworn thats what I said...... NA> There are plenty of areas in FILEBONE.NA which do not have NA> the '!' flag, therefore, what you said is incorrect... No, what I see quoted above from me is not all I said I dont think.....no matter, if thats not what I said then I stand corrected.....feel better now? :) greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 589 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 3:27p Subj: Re: Hidden Seen-Bys Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Ervin Jay: > Part of the mail dump (3 megs, 1200+ msgs) received today contained > Seen-Bys > which were behind a ^A kludge, in effect making them hidden, causing them > to be untossable, filling my Bad_Msg dir (and drive, crashing the system) > :(( BG> BG> It was our system. From now on if ANY receiving system BG> sees a problem with the bundles going over the sat then BG> leave a message in the PCSITES echo. This is our private BG> echo. Well I have to gather that PCSITES -never- -ever- gets any posts.....cuz there has never been a message in it here..... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 590 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 3:28p Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: > Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> > TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is > TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. BG> > Amen...... BG> BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys BG> tossing your mail? THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail...... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HECTOR MANDEL Number: 591 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 12:05p Subj: PTC1123 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No T H A N K Y O U !!!!!!!! --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: Cloud Chamber BBS, LurkNET HUB 217-684-2081 (1:233/15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 592 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/25/93 11:54a Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the > PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on > this. Freq me for WAFFLE (magic name) or WAF*.* (might get something else too :) and get these: WAF165 ARJ 507098 04-01-93 6:02a WAFINFO ZIP 2827 11-25-93 11:51a 2 file(s) 509925 bytes The first is the archive for Waffle. The second is info on how I have it setup on my system. I have it setup to receive mail just fine. What I haven't done yet is: 1) Batch mail to feed to other nodes 2) Configure the system to return replies (I don't have a gate yet...but working on that) Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster) both at 14.4 V.32bis. Unlisted freq's welcome. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 593 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 11:57a Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > > ALLRIGHT! So are we! Please keep us informed... > > Looks like it may be a while though. I see we aren't the only ones > behind in shipping. Yes, they quoted us 2 1/2 weeks before they get the current waiting list fulfilled. Have you given much thought which node you will be putting it on? I am currently polling node 2 and may wish to edit your nodelist entry to get whatever number that 28.8 is on. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 594 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/25/93 12:00p Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TL>Usenet: WAFFLE. Will let you know more tonight. Tonight is the night I > Interested in knowing how WAFFLE goes. Working well so far. I have it setup to only toss incoming mail and it works rather well. I haven't worked much with gating replies back yet. I'll work on that this afternoon or Friday night (I'm a sysop so I have no life ;) > Atta boy! Don't flirt: I respond! 8-) See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE SLOAN Number: 595 To: KEN KAVANAGH Date: 11/24/93 11:02p Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov2423:02, Ken Kavanagh of 1:153/7070 writes: KK> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer KK> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very KK> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in KK> squish's or d'briges routing config. I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too much delay. Of course you need a few modems attatched up to your OS/2 machine to do it effectively. --- msgedsq/2 2.1 * Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE SLOAN Number: 596 To: ALBERT GAYLORD Date: 11/24/93 11:16p Subj: Re: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov2423:16, Albert Gaylord of 1:105/40 writes: AG> -!- GoldED 2.40+ TeamOS/2 - ssA Satellite Hub AG> ! Origin: ssA Satellite Syndicate Assocs SHub 1-503 297-1112 I see that you are running OS/2. We are setting up now to feed the mail into an OS/2 system for distribution. I have some ideas on how this should be done. Maybe I will start documenting what I am doing so that we can work out the most effective method of distribution and feedback to the PC system. Any ideas then let me know. I will document what I have done up to now tommorrow so that we can get our 'heads together' so to speak. --- msgedsq/2 2.1 * Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE SLOAN Number: 597 To: DAVE OSBORNE Date: 11/24/93 11:20p Subj: SUGGESTION... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov2423:20, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.2 writes: DO> In a msg on <Nov 18 18:34>, Tracy Mickley writes: TM>Whenever I turn the monitor on, the current file always get's TM>one T block and of couse gets trashed. DO> Possibly the monitor is sitting close to the CPU and the EMP is DO> zapping the serial port or something. Or the monitor is plugged DO> into the same outlet as the CPU or into the CPU itself and a line DO> spike is flipping a bit in the link. Doubtful video code is DO> involved. DO> Curiosity being what it is, when you figure it out, let us know. DO> :-) I noticed a lot of static sparking when the wind was blowing. Ended up grounding the sheild a whole lot better after blowing a parralel port. --- msgedsq/2 2.1 * Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOE LYDA Number: 598 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/25/93 7:09p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Jacobo! JO> I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the JO> PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on JO> this. JO> TTYL JO> Jacob Oduber JO> sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS Aruba 1:18/21 Well I do not know how to answere you not knowing what type system, BBS software, etc.. However I will supply wgat I have I am going to run WCUUCP, from Mustang Software to handle my end. I also understand FredGate, FrontDoor, FredMail, Waffle, and GoMail work well together using Wildcat 3.9 BBS software. Also WildUUCP from OCR is suppost to be a great program to handle Internet mail. I am sure there are others already running these programs can offer a better answere than I can seing I am not yet setup in that area because my software has not arived yet. Seems like I always order something too close to hollidays and it gets delayed. Someone of you other users jump in here and fill us all in on what we need. Joe * WCE 1.10/2107 * Profanity, the language computerists know. --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0081] * Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator 1:3622/1000 (1:3622/1000) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOE LYDA Number: 599 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 8:27p Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd! In a message to All <11/24/93> Boyd Goodin wrote: BG> BG> See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I guess BG> can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention. BG> BG> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG> BG> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos that BG> not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET. BG> file I DONT WANT IT! BG> BG> ....Boyd Nor do I want it ether. Thanks for speaking out on it. Joe * WCE 1.10/2107 * Sometimes you just have to say 'What the heck' --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0081] * Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator 1:3622/1000 (1:3622/1000) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARTIN BELCKE Number: 600 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 3:21p Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I g -> can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention. -> -> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -> -> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos t -> not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the FIDO -> file I DONT WANT IT! You might want to ammend that to include the FIDONET.NO file as well, as you send echos in that file as well. The FIDONET.NO file is for those echos that are not in the ELIST and were in FIDONET.NA. Currently there are about 70 some in that file all of which you send over satellite. --Martin-- --- GOMail v1.2 [BETA] [92-0105] * Origin: Hackers World BBS 16.5 Gig - 24 lines (1:232/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN JOHNSON Number: 601 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/26/93 1:17a Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Foxy, * In a message originally to Ken Kavanagh, Foxy Ferguson said: > KK>I have a utility called Sizemail that you set the max bundle size in > KK>..once your mail packer reaches that size it moves it to its own temp > KK>directory and your packer continues on with the next consecutive > KK>number/letter. very slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a > KK>batch file in squish's or d'briges routing config. > but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work > with FroDo > and Gecho ?? It's already built into GEcho... Just go into Gsetup and set MAX .pkt size and MAX archive size... John --- GEcho 1.02/beta+ * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 602 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 7:38p Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing > your mail? I guess right after they stopped coming. Thanks Boyd. It's appreciated. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 603 To: ALL Date: 11/25/93 8:17p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No I must have missed something. I stumbled onto the files PCUSENET.* in my NEWSGRP directory. I'm guessing this is the startup of the Usenet newsgroup feeds -- or at least an open test of sorts. These files unzip to NEWS000?.BAG files and appear to be a singular file containing the combined *.X and *.D files. Question #1: Is this the start up or a test? #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files? #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet newsgroups/email bbs feed using UUCP-g (via PIMP for TBBS). Has anyone asked these guys if they can provide a 'oneway' link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird and sending replies through Holonet. #4: What newsgroups will be coming? --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF WARD Number: 604 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/25/93 9:19p Subj: .Tic for Nodediff Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file > JW> for the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks! > I did not get on over here either. > TTYL > Jacob Thanks for letting me know. I haven't found out why it happened yet. I hope it's not a recurring thing. Guess we'll find out in a day or so! Later! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: * Futura BBS Grover, NC (704)739-0013 * (1:379/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 605 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/25/93 2:02p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to JOE LYDA: JO> I am interested in what files/programs I would need to JO> handle the PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply JO> any information on this. You should probably use FRED19Q.ARJ as the simplest (most robust) implementation of a gateway that I've seen. Waffle is great if you want full Newsgroup format (unnecessary to me except for cancels and crossposts). The setup is quick and simple for fred as you need only a few exec and config files to have everything up and tossing with your current FTN compatible mailer/tosser setup. If you have problems I and others may be able to pull you over the rough spots you run across. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B9 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK STENNETT Number: 606 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 9:41a Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No BG> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages BG> from echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of BG> thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT! What about FIDONET.NO? --- timEd-A10c * Origin: DATAMAZE CONSOLE (1:203/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOE MEADORS Number: 607 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/25/93 10:01p Subj: Planet Connect Info. Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote to Joe Meadors: >> About three weeks ago I netmailed you a request for info on Planet >> Connect in response to your advertisement in BBS Callers Digest. BG> Well Joe we have been behind in getting those vidoe tapes made and BG> shipped. I will check and let you know if yours has been processed. Thanks. If for whatever reason my netmail failed to arrive I'll be more than happy to send it again. Warmest Regards, Joe FidoNet: 1:160/230 BizyNet: 70:1/80 Internet: Joe.Meadors@f230.n160.z1.fidonet.org --- GoldED 2.42.G1114+ * Origin: ?ksa uoy od yhW .enif s'gnihtyrevE (1:160/230) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BART SIMPSON Number: 608 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/26/93 5:00a Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is annoying to > have to wade through these every day now. Boyd our Hub used to pack them up in a file and if we wanted to look at them then we had the pleaser of unziping the file. Just a suggestion.. Bart Simpson.. --- DB 1.54/004175 * Origin: Dave's~On-Line~Repair (1:2230/100) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RUDY HEHN Number: 609 To: ERVIN JAY Date: 11/25/93 9:28p Subj: Netmail _to_ 3615/51 Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No -> I have been receiving the following netmail on my system, please note -> that every on conected to the Bird is 3615/51, so this msg goes to -> everyone. I've been getting the same thing, endlessly <g>. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [f0f99/c] * Origin: Home Base BBS, St. Thomas, Ontario (1:221/128) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THOMAS BEAL Number: 610 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 1:24p Subj: Weather Maps Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No What is the scoop on the weather maps? I need to start allowing my users access to them. --- GEcho 1.01+NOMORETG! * Origin: Earth Station Alpha * Colo. Springs, CO * (719) 636-8979 (1:128/135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN JACKSON Number: 611 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 10:33p Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd-- >> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: >> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is >> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. >> Amen...... BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your BG> mail? As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled messages. To the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on??? Ken --- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: MidNite ChowBoy <> Greenwood MS <> FidoNet via satellite (1:368/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICKEY FERGUSON Number: 612 To: SYSOP Date: 11/26/93 6:46p Subj: Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Whoa!!! Must use? I loaded PTC1123.ZIP on my system > immediately after receiving it. For the first time in 45 days since > installing my PC system it crashed during the first night knocking the > workstation off of my network! The screen was blank with a blinking > cursor. I am now running v1009 dependably again. > Are you telling me that I am going to HAVE to move to > my office to babysit PC? Guess again! > -Tim Mine does that too _IF_ I have the automatic status enabled in the .INI file. Since I took that out, it quit hanging. Mickey --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Earth Station WA4KDC Planet Connected via Galaxy 4 (1:116/205) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 613 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/26/93 9:14p Subj: Hidden Seen-Bys Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Well I have to gather that PCSITES -never- -ever- gets any posts.....cuz > there has never been a message in it here..... I post there a good bit. Must be a screwup somewhere. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TODD LYONS Number: 614 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/26/93 9:20p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I must have missed something. I stumbled onto the files PCUSENET.* in my > NEWSGRP directory. I'm guessing this is the startup of the Usenet > newsgroup feeds -- or at least an open test of sorts. These files unzip > to NEWS000?.BAG files and appear to be a singular file containing the > combined *.X and *.D files. They are newsgroup feeds. > Question #1: Is this the start up or a test? Test. > #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files? If you wish, you can freq me for waf*.* or WAFFLE (magic name) and get these two files: WAF165 ARJ 507098 04-01-93 6:02a WAFINFO ZIP 2827 11-25-93 11:51a 2 file(s) 509925 bytes The first is WAFFLE, a combination news tosser, bbs door (or bbs :), and outbound batcher. The second is a small info file that I threw together detailing how I have it setup (so far) on my system. > #4: What newsgroups will be coming? When they're finished, all of them. See ya Todd --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Number: 615 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 11:24a Subj: gmd netmail Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Boyd, As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into this ? Best Regards, Hans --- Logical 15.0 * Origin: Logical Solutions, 24 Lines 299-9900. Calgary Region Hub (1:134/10) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 616 To: TRACY MICKLEY Date: 11/26/93 8:21p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to All: TM> Question #1: Is this the start up or a test? I believe testing is in progress still as there has been no announcement. TM> #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files? You can use a DOS gating program or the Waffle BBS system. I use a FRED gateway for email and newsgroups and the test files were easily decoded into *.PKT format for my regular tosser/mailer to take care of them. TM> #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet TM> link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird TM> and sending replies through Holonet. Any usenet feed site (or UUCP site) can work a one-way feed if they're willing to do it. It is a simple manipulation of the SYS file. I would do it here except that I get the comp.* and alt.* hierarchies under test so deal with usenet both ways from my regular site. As soon as we get a full feed from the bird I can reestablish my feed as send-only where applicable (eg - the vmsnet and biz hierarchies may not come from Boyd's end perhaps). TM> #4: What newsgroups will be coming? I hope we get a full feed ....... Boyd? Regards, Dan W. P.S. - Fred will allow you full gating of news and email (except for 'control' functions including cancellations). Since all it does is convert the *.X & *.D files into Fidonet *.pkt files (like the ones you toss everyday <grin>) it is very fast and economical of drive space. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN WILLIAMSON Number: 617 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 8:31p Subj: Couple of things Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Boyd, Missed 0000FFFF.FR1 and 0000FFFF.FR2 yesterday. If you don't need these posts to let you know something is amiss just let us know in this echo and I'll stop mentioning it. I received 50+ repeated messages of your GMD and "errors due to failed attempts to areafix" that were broadcast over the satellite. Perhaps this was due to an attempt to clear things up and cut the flow of these gems? <grin> Thanks for sending out the WE7 and WE8 files, Boyd. Regards, Dan W. --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Safe Harbour BBS [V.32bis/HST + Satellite] (1:3410/0) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOE LYDA Number: 618 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/26/93 10:44p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Todd! In a message to Joe Lyda <11/25/93> Todd Lyons wrote: TL> No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody wh TL> wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the TL> gateway). Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it. Well Todd, I am in Tullahoma TN and am looking to get a connect to someone in Tennessee to gate through. Joe * WCE 1.10/2107 * Have you seen this Tagline? Call 1-800-TAG-THIS! --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0081] * Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator 1:3622/1000 (1:3622/1000) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JIM DUNMYER Number: 619 To: JOHN BURTON Date: 11/26/93 7:08p Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets?? I'm running the > same basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions > across the LAN with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file. The only thing I do is run TICK once every 4 hours. That's when SLEEP runs my mail process. Dunno how many downlinks you're hubbing for vs. me, but maybe I just have a lighter load and haven't yet see the problem. Or, maybe I have the problem and haven't noticed it. (that wouldn't be surprising) --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 10+ gigs, 100,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JASON FESLER Number: 620 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/25/93 10:12p Subj: Squish Mail Tosser Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler: ~~ GS> Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those GS> extensions just fine.... I must be using a different squish than everyone else. Any .MOZ files (as example) don't get touched; they are left alone in my inbound. I had to modify the batch files to rename them whenever it found them. Of course.. your mileage may vary. Jason Fesler jfesler@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com --- timEd-A11a * Origin: Net 203 Services (1:203/7707.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BIERRIE Number: 621 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/26/93 6:57a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jacob Oduber, in a message to John Bierrie, you wrote: JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz. JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness". BTW... we JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok... JB> John JO> Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview. JO> I enable the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the JO> uart buffer. JO> Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the JO> tossing performance without any major problems under JO> desqview. Jacob, I just saw that a new version of the PC program has come through with the ability to activate the 16550 without the need for the fossil... I haven't installed it yet, hate that "can't go back", statement should things not work as well. Probably do it this weekend anyway and hope for the best. I had a "funny" conversation with someone just the other day about all this. I was "told" I "HAD" to have another 386 machine networked, etc. or Planet Connect just wouldn't work and it wasn't worth the money for the other machine, network cards, etc. Luckilly I was in the other room at the time or my computer might have heard them saying that and stoped working. :-) ooops.. just saw a message from Boyd.. the new version is a "must", so definetly this evening or Saturday. :-) John --- --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS - Peoria, IL - 309-682-6560 (1:232/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BIERRIE Number: 622 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 7:05a Subj: Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin, in a message to Craig Gagner, you wrote: BG> It is being sent over the sat as PTC1123.ZIP. This is a BG> MUST use version. Meaning the 1009 version will be obsolete BG> after the 29th of this month. Boyd, A couple of things on this... One, how long has PTC1123.ZIP been coming in?? I just noticed it the other day and if I hadn't seen your message above, I might very well have taken my time before replacing the older version... How about "NetMail" when something as critical as this is coming through? Related... If it's only been a week or two, could you think about extending that "obsolete" portion in the future? I know there are a number of people out here, with or without PC who don't necessarilly keep such a close track on things. Plus, I have been known to be out of town for that long easilly and if the system would crash because of outdated software which needed to be installed within a week or so, there'd be little I (or possibly others) could do. Just a thought(s)... John --- --- * Origin: Doc's Place BBS - Peoria, IL - 309-682-6560 (1:232/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 623 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/26/93 10:53a Subj: Planet Connect Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Ken Jackson: JF> Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone? KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this? JF> Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, JF> Backbone won't carry it. They _could_ limit it to JF> strictly support/etc, and refuse to answer any and all JF> questions re: price. This is how the FDECHO is structured JF> today. However, once _business_ starts going across the JF> wire, backbone will drop it, as they don't wish to pay for JF> other people's business. Nope......the process is in the works.......As for it not being allowed.....THere are several echos on the backbone that fit the qualifications you mention above..... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 624 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 7:26p Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No following up a message from Greg Shaffer to Boyd Goodin: GS> Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: > Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: BG> > TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is > TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. BG> > Amen...... BG> BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys BG> tossing your mail? GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail...... And again today...... greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 625 To: JIM WATSON Date: 11/26/93 7:28p Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jim Watson wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley: TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It TM> is annoying to have to wade through these every day TM> now. JW> Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be JW> better to correct to the software on your end that is JW> causing those messages to be generated? At PC's level, JW> considering the implications if a problem does occur, they JW> pretty well have to run _something_ to keep an eye on the JW> inbound... No......they are being sent to 3615/51 which is -every- downlink.....They should be put on hold for the offending downlink to pickup when they send their inbound mail. greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DENNIS POWERS Number: 626 To: JOHN BURTON Date: 11/26/93 11:55p Subj: Tick Processing Secrets Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello John! 24 Nov 93, john burton writes to Jim Dunmyer: jb> Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets?? I'm running the same jb> basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN jb> with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file. jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and jb> TIMS won't fight over .?LO files.... (as well as .PT files..) I do all my mail processing (Echo and File) to a holding directory then run a program called CopyMail, Which moves it to the real outbound directory. Copymail honors the Binkley Busy flags (not sure if TIMS uses the same). It will then append new mail to existing and even size arc-mail bundles. When a node is busy sending mail it copymail can be configured to either wait for a period of time or skip that address's mail and leave it in the hol directory. It has been working flawlessly here for quite some time. -><-Dennis --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct (203)879-7122 (1:141/1135) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 627 To: JIM WATSON Date: 11/26/93 5:18p Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be better to > correct to the software on your end that is causing those messages > to be generated? At PC's level, considering the implications if a > problem does occur, they pretty well have to run _something_ to keep > an eye on the inbound... If I was generating the offending messages I sure wouldn't be complaining about receiving the resulting GMD error messages. In fact, I'd want to be notified, but I wasn't generating the problems and all I saw was a growing number of the GMD messages coming in addressed to SYSOP -- something I've grown admittedly too think skinned about. Akin to nails on a chalk board I guess. It's all for naught anyway since Boyd is now addressing them using SYSOP names and is sending them netmail which is much appreciated. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM JACOBS Number: 628 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 10:30p Subj: NETMAIL Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd, I for one am very happy with your attempts to get the NETMAIL routed thru your system. It will be great to beable to have an almost instant NETMAIL to the backbone service setup. I can handle the messups and really don't care becauseI know that when it is working it will save me ANOTHER call long distance to deliver my outgoing mail. And it REALLY speeds up the netmail process. Thank you for the attempts and please take your time. Looking forward to yet another EXCELLENT service from your company! Netmail is a BIG plus! Tim Jacobs - Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562 --- * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange *Multi-Lines* 804-877-3539 (1:271/270) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM DOWELL Number: 629 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/27/93 6:59a Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No * In a message originally to All, Boyd Goodin said: BG> BG> See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES BG> echo I guess I can post it in here. Maybe it will catch BG> someone's attention. BG> BG> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG> BG> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages BG> from echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of BG> thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT! BG> BG> ....Boyd Well this guy is reading both <GRIN>! I wondered about those messages. Thought they'd just missed them in FIDONET.NA! Keep up the GREAT work! Tim --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: PURE ENERGY * 910-786-5549 * PSI is #1! (1:151/907) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TIM DOWELL Number: 630 To: JACOBO ODUBER Date: 11/27/93 7:08a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No JO> JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz. JO> JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil JO> JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a JO> JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness". BTW... we JO> JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and JO> JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok... JO> Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview. JO> I enable JO> the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the uart buffer. Same here. Works well and the beta version of the new PC software worked fine without the fossil under DV. I've not tried the public release but it should do just as well or better than the beta. JO> Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the JO> tossing JO> performance without any major problems under desqview. I've just installed that also and the caching really improves the tossing speed. I'm also using Hyperdisk with staged writes to keep PC from killing the hard drive <G>! Tim --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: PURE ENERGY * 910-786-5549 * PSI is #1! (1:151/907) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 631 To: THOMAS BEAL Date: 11/27/93 3:25p Subj: Re: Weather Maps Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > What is the scoop on the weather maps? I need to start allowing my users > access to them. Still waiting for the cpompany that supplies us with it to set thier rate. As soon as this is done I will let you know. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 632 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/27/93 3:25p Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled > messages. To > the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on??? We have found the problem and it is being looked into. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 633 To: JOHN BIERRIE Date: 11/27/93 3:30p Subj: Re: Desqview Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd, > A couple of things on this... One, how long has PTC1123.ZIP been > coming in?? I just noticed it the other day and if I hadn't seen your > message above, I might very well have taken my time before replacing the Thats why you should check the PCINFO.TXT or the README.NOW files that go over the sat ever now and again. A new version is going over now. PTC1126.ZIP > older version... How about "NetMail" when something as critical as this > is coming through? Related... If it's only been a week or two, could > you think about extending that "obsolete" portion in the future? I know > there are a number of people out here, with or without PC who don't > necessarilly keep such a close track on things. Plus, I have been known > to be out of town for that long easilly and if the system would crash > because of outdated software which needed to be installed within a week > or so, there'd be little I (or possibly others) could do. Your system wont crash. The data stream is changing again and you would just get errors. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 634 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/27/93 3:31p Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail...... > And again today...... I know Greg. We have found the problem and the systems is working on it. P.S. Get your receiver?? ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 635 To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT Date: 11/27/93 3:33p Subj: Re: gmd netmail Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks > like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into > this ? Problem has been found and is being taken care off. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 636 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/27/93 3:35p Subj: Re: Couple of things Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Missed 0000FFFF.FR1 and 0000FFFF.FR2 yesterday. If you don't need > these posts to let you know something is amiss just let us know > in > this echo and I'll stop mentioning it. Did you get errors opn them or they never went over the sat? > I received 50+ repeated messages of your GMD and "errors due to > failed attempts to areafix" that were broadcast over the > satellite. > Perhaps this was due to an attempt to clear things up and cut the > flow > of these gems? <grin> We have found the problem and it is being fixed. ...Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 637 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 11/27/93 3:39p Subj: Re: NETMAIL Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > I for one am very happy with your attempts to get the NETMAIL routed > thru your system. It will be great to beable to have an almost instant Don't talk to fast! ;-) > NETMAIL to the backbone service setup. I can handle the messups and > really don't care becauseI know that when it is working it will save me > ANOTHER call long distance to deliver my outgoing mail. And it REALLY > speeds up the netmail process. We do not route netmail. What is the sense of us routing netmail when yopu would still have to call your regular place to pick up any returns. Still a LD call no matter what. > Thank you for the attempts and please take your time. Looking > forward to yet another EXCELLENT service from your company! Netmail is a > BIG plus! Not any more! Too many problems with it. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOYD GOODIN Number: 638 To: TIM DOWELL Date: 11/27/93 3:41p Subj: Re: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Well this guy is reading both <GRIN>! I wondered about those messages. > Thought they'd just missed them in FIDONET.NA! Keep up the GREAT work! Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried by the star system I call. ....Boyd --- DB 1.54/004770 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE OSBORNE Number: 639 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 7:39p Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a msg on <Nov 24 23:46>, Boyd Goodin writes: BG> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG> BG> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from BG>echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it BG>is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT! You also want what's in the FIDONET.NO. If not, we have a serious problem. D. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Center Field, Hickory Hills, Tn., y'all! NEC123 (1:123/301.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAN DIMICK Number: 640 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 12:31a Subj: Re: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No BG> BG> See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I BG> guess I can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention. BG> BG> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG> BG> Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos BG> that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in BG> the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT! BG> What about fidonet.no? DanD --- OPMED 3.10 b/006 * Origin: VFund Mail Server +1-503-240-0362 (1:105/50) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 641 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/26/93 2:21p Subj: PLANET CONNECT ECHO Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone won't >carry it. They _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and refuse to >answer any and all questions re: price. This is how the FDECHO is >structured >today. However, once _business_ starts going across the wire, backbone >will drop it, as they don't wish to pay for other people's business. Where did this information come from? I've been involved with the backbone a little for a few years. I hear this story occasionally but I still don't understand it. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GEORGE PEACE Number: 642 To: JOHN BURTON Date: 11/26/93 2:24p Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN >with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file. The secret weapon is copymail. CPML-122.ZIP. We point tick at an offline outbound area, toss files, and then turn copymail loose on it to merge the offline stuff into the live online area. --- QM v1.26/a * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 8+ gigs [717-657-8699] (1:270/101) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LISA GRONKE Number: 643 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 7:44a Subj: Is anyone out there? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Are you carrying the echos in fidonet.no (the quasi or temporary backbone list)? Many of us treat those echos the same as the ones in fidonet.na. --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: IMS BBS * +1 503-254-2817 * 16.8k ZyXEL (1:105/69) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLOYD DRENNON Number: 644 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/26/93 5:17p Subj: Planet Connect Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Jason, 24 Nov 93, 09:11, Jason Fesler wrote to Ken Jackson: JF> Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone JF> won't carry it. They _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and Not completely true. The ZEC just informed the moderator a few days ago it would be placed on the backbone if he followed the announced procedures. --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: FLOYD'S FOLLY, Deatsville, AL HST-v.terbo, Net375 NEC (1:375/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLOYD DRENNON Number: 645 To: TERRY BLOUNT Date: 11/26/93 5:20p Subj: net messages Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Terry, 25 Nov 93, 10:44, Terry Blount wrote to Boyd Goodin: TB> there for over a month. Needless to say that I lost some sales TB> that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription fee TB> <grin>. It is really difficult to try to teach everyone that Surely you're not saying you're using routed netmail for commercial gain? 8-) --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: FLOYD'S FOLLY, Deatsville, AL HST-v.terbo, Net375 NEC (1:375/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 646 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/27/93 6:35p Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley: BG> Yep. Just like the routed netmail. It just causes problems. BG> When something causes a problem I stop it. Remember again BG> folks. NO ROUTED NETMAIL goes to us. It goes to the BG> bit-bucket. That isn't a big problem... the problem is when routed netmail is sent to us and does not arrive and we miss the chance to sell something to pay our subscription fee for PC. :) --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TERRY BLOUNT Number: 647 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/27/93 6:40p Subj: Squish Mail Tosser Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: JF> I must be using a different squish than everyone else. Any JF> .MOZ files (as example) don't get touched; they are left JF> alone in my inbound. I had to modify the batch files to JF> rename them whenever it found them. Of course.. your JF> mileage may vary. I found several problems that were causing a loss of mail when I allowed Squish to access the bundles.... now I uncompress all the bundles and point Squish to the directory that has the uncompressed *.pkt 's and it seems to be working great now. At the end of a session you simply need 2 lines: Pkunzip 00*.* \inbound -o del 00*.* I found that if I didn't use -o to overwrite packets with the same name the batch file would not always run unattended because pkzip would find duplicate packets inside different bundles and pause with the question about overwriting.... -o causes it to automatically overwrite and keep going. --- timEd-A10c * Origin: Center of the Cosmos 205-824-2611 (1:3625/441) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GREG SHAFFER Number: 648 To: JASON FESLER Date: 11/27/93 4:33p Subj: Squish Mail Tosser Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer: JF> Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler: JF> ~ GS> Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those GS> extensions just fine.... JF> I must be using a different squish than everyone else. Any JF> .MOZ files (as example) don't get touched; they are left JF> alone in my inbound. I had to modify the batch files to JF> rename them whenever it found them. Of course.. your JF> mileage may vary. Never seen an .MOZ but I know for a fact it works with extensions from .MOA to .MOH greg.shaffer@f510.n370.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd-B9 * Origin: RC must stand for remote *CONTROL* (1:370/510) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GUY VANDELL Number: 649 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/27/93 10:45p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Jacobo Oduber: TL> Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or TL> 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster) both at 14.4 V.32bis. Unlisted TL> freq's welcome. TL> See ya TL> Todd TL> --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM TL> * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite TL> Style! (1:3807/400) in today's nodelist, there does not exist a 1:3807/400, I tried at your listing at 100, but had no luck. if you have internet can you send me the text in the setup stuff to vandell@ds9.raider.net --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Night Moves (1:116/80) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 650 To: JOHN JOHNSON Date: 11/27/93 3:30a Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: NO Private: No JJ>Foxy, JJ> > but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work JJ> > with FroDo JJ> > and Gecho ?? JJ>It's already built into GEcho... Just go into Gsetup and set MAX .pkt size JJ>and MAX archive size... Ha! Guess I didn't read the docs nearly as thoroughly as I thought I had. :-( Thanks, John. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FOXY FERGUSON Number: 651 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/27/93 3:31a Subj: Things... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No TL> > Interested in knowing how WAFFLE goes. TL>Working well so far. I have it setup to only toss incoming mail and TL>it works rather well. I haven't worked much with gating replies back TL>yet. Ah, that's good. We're not planning on putting it on our system, although I think t'other PC site in our net is considering it. TL>I'll work on that this afternoon or Friday night (I'm a sysop TL>so I have no life ;) <grin> Naw, sysoping _is_ your life. Ain't it? TL> > Atta boy! TL>Don't flirt: I respond! 8-) Well, shucks. Gal's gotta flirt with somebody ONCE in a while, ya know? Wouldn't do to forget how to. ;-) --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Foxy's Point Planet Connected! (1:116/210.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY DUNLAP Number: 652 To: JOE LYDA Date: 11/27/93 10:05p Subj: where are you???? Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No JL>Well Todd, I am in Tullahoma TN and am looking to get a JL>connect JL>to someone in Tennessee to gate through. Joe, you can probably gate thru us when we get it all up and going. --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: RxShop 615-646-9481 Nashville TN HST/V32b/ISDN (1:116/5000) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GUY VANDELL Number: 653 To: GREG SHAFFER Date: 11/27/93 7:09p Subj: Planet Connect Echo Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler: GS> Nope......the process is in the works.......As for it not GS> being allowed.....THere are several echos on the backbone GS> that fit the qualifications you mention above..... like Cforsale? --- timEd-B10 * Origin: Night Moves (1:116/80) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK WINSLADE Number: 654 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/27/93 8:17p Subj: SUGGESTION... Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a message of <23 Nov 93 15:46:22>, Dan Williamson (1:3410/0) writes: >Sort of like the invention of the flush toilet by Thomas Crapper. Not to turn this into alt.folklore.urban, but I can provide some documented references to Sir Thomas Crapper. He did exist, but his legend has been quite embellished. Good day JSW --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Buttafuoco Modeling Agency and Charm School (1:285/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK WINSLADE Number: 655 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/27/93 8:06p Subj: Usenet Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a message of <25 Nov 93 04:45:11>, Todd Lyons (1:3807/400) writes: >The plans are the whole thing. > >> handle it tomorrow and see what is there. Also will you be >> providing the gateway into Internet? > >No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody >who wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the >gateway). Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it. What I would like to see is the outbound distribution through the PC system. We have a number of ways of getting our outbound back into Usenet, but the phone bills for our inbound load to Omaha (out in the toolies of cyberspace) run a couple hundred per month. What I've seen come in should plug right in, but I would hate to cut some of the groups over until I know the service will continue. Good day JSW --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Buttafuoco Modeling Agency and Charm School (1:285/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JACK WINSLADE Number: 656 To: JOE LYDA Date: 11/27/93 8:11p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No In a message of <25 Nov 93 19:09:41>, JOE LYDA (1:3622/1000) writes: >Someone of you other users jump in here and fill us all in on >what we need. We currently have three sysops in the pulling hair with various almost- working news processors. Two of these run Wildcat and the other runs MBBS. We distribute Usenet in both UUCP and Fidonet format. The one guy who is struggling with MBBS had 20,000 (no kidding) garbage messages in oma.general due to a bug in the MBBS outbound news processor. The one Wildcat system seems to be working more or less, but he was having major problems last week until they shipped him yet another almost-daily update. We feed one guy who has been running Waffle for some time now with no major problems. Of course now he is trying some others as well. Good day JSW --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Buttafuoco Modeling Agency and Charm School (1:285/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ED MARQUIS Number: 657 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/27/93 7:49a Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > The setup is quick and simple for fred as you > need only a few exec and config files to have everything up and > tossing with your current FTN compatible mailer/tosser setup. If > you have problems I and others may be able to pull you over the > rough spots you run across. Have you tried using Fred on the Usenet files from the bird? My setup doesn't seem to recognize the format but then again I'm a real amateur at FRED and Usenet. I sure would like to take a look at your setup. :-) Ed --- GEcho 1.01+ * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 13gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LAZ GOTTLI Number: 658 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/27/93 9:15a Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > Boyd-- >>> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin: >>> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is >>> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. >>> Amen...... > BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your > BG> mail? > As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled > messages. To > the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on??? > Ken Me too just got a real wack of them in this package... TTYL Laz --- * Origin: The TERMINAL BBS Lethbridge, AB. CANADA [403]327-9731 (1:358/1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MARK ADKINS Number: 659 To: MIKE LABB Date: 11/26/93 7:38p Subj: Test message Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hi Mike, Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Hang onto your hat, not only am I sending this message to you but some NICE cold weather! Let me know how this comes out. Mark 433 --- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251 * Origin: Blue Lake Systems 503-656-9790 - 5 Nodes - 6 Gigs (1:105/286) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 660 To: BOYD GOODIN Date: 11/26/93 6:49p Subj: net messages Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Wednesday November 24 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Terry Blount: >> We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed to other >> folks who are having problems. Would it be too difficult for BG> Working on it. Seems to have stopped ever since I stopped alowing routed BG> netmail through our system. Not quite, it is being rerouted back into the system, see my msg in PCSITES. Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 661 To: DAVE SLOAN Date: 11/26/93 6:50p Subj: Ken Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello Dave! Wednesday November 24 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Ken Kavanagh: KK>> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer KK>> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very KK>> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in KK>> squish's or d'briges routing config. DS> I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my DS> experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too Squish will limit the size of the individual PKTs inside each arcmail bundle, but will not limit the size of the bundles themselves. For that you need to run SizeMail from inside your Squish ROUTE.CFG using a DOS sizemail -cD:\Bink\sizemail.cfg Line. It realli does make a big difference for those with large feed downlinks. Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ERVIN JAY Number: 662 To: JOHN BURTON Date: 11/26/93 6:55p Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No Hello john! Wednesday November 24 1993, john burton writes to Jim Dunmyer: jb> Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets?? I'm running the same jb> basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN jb> with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file. Yep, this is one I have been unable to solve either.... Here it simply skips sending the file(s) to that node, not nice.... :( Here is how I have solved it using a batch as follows......... if exist E:\Bink\Outbound\Out\*.BSY goto No_Tick Tick :No_Tick jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and jb> TIMS won't fight over .?LO files.... (as well as .PT files..) Yes, seems that Tick wants to check "ALL" flo files to see if the Passthru file is still on hold for someone before it will delete it. When it hits an flo file that is open (being sent) it freq's out :(((( The above solves that, sorta, as well.... Be interested in seeing an other way this problem might be solved. Cheers, Ervin --- Binkley\Squish\REC\Maximus\Golded - What a Team! * Origin: The PC-WorkShop * Vancouver * BC, Can * 3 Lines * (1:153/767) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 663 To: DAVE SLOAN Date: 11/27/93 4:58p Subj: squish Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Wednesday November 24 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Ken Kavanagh: Hello Dave! DS> In a msg on <Nov2423:02, Ken Kavanagh of 1:153/7070 writes: KK>> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer KK>> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very KK>> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in KK>> squish's or d'briges routing config. DS> I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my DS> experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too DS> much delay. Of course you need a few modems attatched up to your OS/2 DS> machine to do it effectively. No, squish will limit the size of the PACKETS it will build..but not the bundles..for that you need a secondary utility like sizemail. Cheers, Ken ...And today will go down in history as Saturday November 27 1993 --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1114 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KEN KAVANAGH Number: 664 To: FOXY FERGUSON Date: 11/27/93 5:17p Subj: sizemail Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No On Wednesday November 24 1993, Foxy Ferguson writes to Ken Kavanagh: Hello Foxy! KK>> I have a utility called Sizemail that you set the max bundle size in KK>> ..once your mail packer reaches that size it moves it to its own temp KK>> directory and your packer continues on with the next consecutive KK>> number/letter. very slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a KK>> batch file in squish's or d'briges routing config. FF> but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work with FroDo FF> and Gecho ?? i dont use frodo or gecho..so i dont really know <grin> we're sitting on the oposite sided of the ol fence :) will my mower cut your lawn? <grin> Cheers, Ken ...And today will go down in history as Saturday November 27 1993 --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1114 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 665 To: TIM JACOBS Date: 11/27/93 10:33a Subj: Filebone Areas Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > That is a "REAL" internet address. Gated or not. And alot of people dont > realize we can use them so this is a good idea.. Harumph... Guess I'm spoiled by having a full address here, not relying on FidoNET gateways (or any other .org for that matter).... Still waiting on the IP address tho... john.burton@sandbox.nova.com --==jb==-- --- * Origin: The SANDBOX ** MultiLine TBBS ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34.28) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF WARD Number: 666 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/27/93 11:45a Subj: Internet TimeTable Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> Hey Boyd, I think you are doing prety good with all this stuff. >> I just got mine all automated here and have a big question. Is >> the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going >> to remain slim and trim? I should get the necessary files to > The plans are the whole thing. Is there any word as to when a full feed may start? I've been getting the test packets and all is great. Just awaiting the feed to begin. i didn't know if you may have heard something from Boyd. Later! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: * Futura BBS - Planet Connected In NC! (704)739-0013 * (1:379/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF WARD Number: 667 To: GARY BERG Date: 11/27/93 11:47a Subj: .Tic for Nodediff Refer: NONE Read: NO Private: No >> Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to wonder there >> myself for a minute. Now, if we only knew why we >> didn't get it. Oversight? Later! > It'd save some griping this way as well..... I'll agree with that. Boyd usually does a good job of letting us know what is going on. Maybe he wasn't aware of this one. Anyhow, I just got the NodeDiff off today's feed and everything was OK with the Tic in hand. Guess he got it fixed. Later! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: * Futura BBS - Planet Connected In NC! (704)739-0013 * (1:379/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF WARD Number: 668 To: KEN JACKSON Date: 11/27/93 11:49a Subj: GMD MESSAGES Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >>> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is >>> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now. > BG> Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your > BG> mail? > As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of > scrambled messages. To > the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on??? You and me both. I just dumped about 60 out of my netmail area that were tossed today. Maybe we'll hear something soon. Later! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: * Futura BBS - Planet Connected In NC! (704)739-0013 * (1:379/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEFF WARD Number: 669 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/27/93 11:53a Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > P.S. - Fred will allow you full gating of news and email > (except for 'control' functions including cancellations). Since > all it does is convert the *.X & *.D files into Fidonet *.pkt > files (like the ones you toss everyday <grin>) it is very fast > and economical of drive space. What about the .BAG files, does it hanlde them as well? SOunds like a nifty little program. Do you have it fro Freq? Later! --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: * Futura BBS - Planet Connected In NC! (704)739-0013 * (1:379/500) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOHN BURTON Number: 670 To: DENNIS POWERS Date: 11/27/93 7:03p Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK >jb> and TIMS won't fight over .?LO files.... (as well as .PT files..) > > > I do all my mail processing (Echo and File) to a holding directory > then run a program called CopyMail, Which moves it to the real > outbound directory. Copymail honors the Binkley Busy flags (not sure > if TIMS uses the same). It will then append new mail to existing > and even size arc-mail bundles. When a node is busy sending mail it > copymail can be configured to either wait for a period of time or > skip that address's mail and leave it in the hol directory. It has > been working flawlessly here for quite some time. I run a QMail/CopyMail combo here across the LAN, Dennis. The trouble is, when TICK tosses his passthru files he also writes a .PT file. When TICK runs, he looks at the subdirectory defined in TIC.CFG. If you use a holding directory as described above, and then use COPYMAIL to move the .?LO file, you'll see that TICK will then delete the passthru file, leaving the .TIC only... This only applies to passthru stuff, the stuff that remains on-line needs to be identified by a designator common to both machines too.... The answer would be a TIC processor that recognizes a staging area... --==jb==-- --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: The SANDBOX ** RIP available HERE!! ** (405)737-9540 (1:147/34) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 671 To: TODD LYONS Date: 11/27/93 6:42p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No >> #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files? > > If you wish, you can freq me for waf*.* or WAFFLE (magic name) and > get these two files: Thanks for the offer. I answered my own question on this one shortly after my post by reading some doc's <cough>. It seems that PIMP, the TBBS internet option module, handles these *.BAG files with ease. --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TRACY MICKLEY Number: 672 To: DAN WILLIAMSON Date: 11/27/93 6:50p Subj: PCUSENET Refer: NONE Read: [N/A] Private: No > TM> #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet > TM> link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird > TM> and sending replies through Holonet. > > Any usenet feed site (or UUCP site) can work a one-way feed if > they're willing to do it. It is a simple manipulation of the SYS A call to Holonet confirms they will accept uplink only newsgroup mail. Their newsg